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Tyler
04-07-2012, 9:08 PM
I started working on this a while back, originally intending to keep it a secret til it was done. Then I decided, screw it, and started putting a bit online about it, because I am really excited about the whole thing. I am going to post up some photos and info from a few blog posts I had done on this project, and then here on out I will add more progress photos as I go. A bunch more is done than shown in these initial batches of photos. I am building this for Born Free 4 which is June 28th, and am racing it at Bonneville Speed Week 2012 where I plan to break some records.

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Enter: The Milwaukee Murderer

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-evADuTCMTFY/T0hddQoXvEI/AAAAAAAABjw/re8AuvpeuYg/s1600/tyler-malinky-dual-engine-triumph-photo-1.jpg

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I decided to build a dual engine Triumph land speed bike, since dual engine race bikes are about the coolest thing in the world as far as I am concerned. I went down for a week and stayed with my friend Dave Bird (you may have seen his frames and hardtails before) in Missouri and we spent a few days making this frame; his many years of fabrication experience were much appreciated and I learned quite a bit during my visit.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DjgdLPvYmgk/T0hdfihC2hI/AAAAAAAABkA/XbIaEFrqq28/s1600/tyler-malinky-dual-engine-triumph-photo-3.jpg

Being a dual engine 650 c.c. this will put me in the 1350 displacement class at Bonneville Speed Week 2012, where I intend to knock some knuckles and pans out of the record book, hence the title of the bike, 'Milwaukee Murderer'. Progress has been slow but steady on this build, pretty much every single part of it is hand made or modified.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mOq7cbCfH98/T0hdgzzlApI/AAAAAAAABkI/s_-KNCuZ3Go/s1600/tyler-malinky-dual-engine-triumph-photo-4.jpg

Almost done, still needs finish welding and a couple of cross braces.

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Bucks made out of 2" x 8" to hammerform some aluminum for a gas tank.

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Rad wheels that came off of Al Lonneville's Triumph flat tracker, getting reworked for glory on the salt.

Tyler
04-07-2012, 9:10 PM
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Bottom ends have gone together, thanks to Todd Muller, in-house tech at Lowbrow. Everything clearanced so the later cranks and lumpy cams will actually turn in the 1955 crank cases. Beefy rods. Cylinders bored, ready for paint, and then the top ends will be going together. Heads and high dome pistons ready and lying in wait. My plan was to build two stock '55 T110 motors, but that plan kind of went out the window, fortune favors the bold. Mockup motors and trans in the frame for now as details both large and small get addressed. Changes being made, big ones, as recent as tonight stay tuned for some full profile shots.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xegQic3E7r4/T2E_6kiq91I/AAAAAAAABmA/LRYHHtubZMs/s1600/tyler-dual-engine-bike-update2-photo-2.jpg

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starwolf
04-07-2012, 9:51 PM
Another bad ass mutherfucker ! I admit it, twin engine machines make me tingle!

Trinda
04-08-2012, 8:40 AM
I know I have no business making suggestions on something like this, but I'd be curious to see how the build would have been different if you mounted the front head backwards and ran the engines closer together and had the exhaust manifolds merge on either side. if nothing else, it would certainly look neat. I think I'll add that sort of project to my list of "things to make if I get rich" shorter wheelbase would make it more manageable for street use - which is clearly not the purpose of this build.

crush1776
04-08-2012, 10:36 AM
Spectacular! Cant wait to hear it run!!!

Tyler
04-08-2012, 6:44 PM
I know I have no business making suggestions on something like this, but I'd be curious to see how the build would have been different if you mounted the front head backwards and ran the engines closer together and had the exhaust manifolds merge on either side. if nothing else, it would certainly look neat. I think I'll add that sort of project to my list of "things to make if I get rich" shorter wheelbase would make it more manageable for street use - which is clearly not the purpose of this build.

There are lots of ways to do it, my front motor is a bit higher than the rear to allow for clearance for carbs/exhaust etc, I could have likely made them closer but it would have been more of a bitch when it comes to actually putting it together and working on it. And wait and watch how quickly that bike fills up, between motors, trans, carbs, magnetos, oil lines, gas lines, etc etc it is going to be PACKED!

I have seen a couple photos of dual engine bikes with the motors side by side. I have also seen a bike kind of like what you mention, it was somewhere in the UK and was a chopper for street use, front motor had head reversed, rear motor head was normal. so exhausts came out towards eachother in the middle.

Not sure how that would run, you really want to build two motors that will be identical so one isn't fighting the other.

Tyler

Hoofhearted
04-08-2012, 8:19 PM
Amen to the above!!! Bonneville is tough enough without having two differently set up engines to fight.

Torch
04-09-2012, 8:01 AM
you are out of control Tyler, ....and I like it.
but are you using that swing arm trans? I guess it would be ok for a Bonneville bike but the drag racers preferred the Burman trans.

Also whats up with the unit head on the front engine, I saw two pre unit barrels in the boxes?

Hooligan80
04-09-2012, 10:08 AM
you are out of control Tyler, ....and I like it.
but are you using that swing arm trans? I guess it would be ok for a Bonneville bike but the drag racers preferred the Burman trans.

Also whats up with the unit head on the front engine, I saw two pre unit barrels in the boxes?

Because the motors in the frame in that pick are only for mockup


Mockup motors and trans in the frame for now as details both large and small get addressed. Changes being made, big ones, as recent as tonight stay tuned for some full profile shots.

GreaserMike
04-09-2012, 12:08 PM
You've got salt fever, boy......SALT FEVER!!!!!

ThePete
04-09-2012, 12:42 PM
This is one hell of a Brit iron hard on, this thing is going to be absofuckinglutely wicked!

Pete
04-10-2012, 5:35 AM
I'm excited already to see what you have in store for this monster! Can't wait to hear the stories of you destroying those harleys!

Tyler
04-11-2012, 7:45 PM
you are out of control Tyler, ....and I like it.
but are you using that swing arm trans? I guess it would be ok for a Bonneville bike but the drag racers preferred the Burman trans.

Also whats up with the unit head on the front engine, I saw two pre unit barrels in the boxes?

Tony, hah thanks. Yeah swing arm trans should be fine for Bonneville, totally different than drag racing. Guys ran em drag too, but I have seen beefed up cases several times, with extra gussets welded around so they don't split. With Bonneville being a mile or more to build up speed you aren't dropping the hammer like on the strip

Those motors are just mock up, front one I have had laying around forever, rear is junky empty cases and such

Tyler

Tyler
04-11-2012, 7:58 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WW5vyFfjs24/T4Xn2GL0nnI/AAAAAAAABq0/Yk6vPPXfIhI/s1600/milwaukee-murderer-dual-engine-triumph-lowbrow-photo-1.jpg

Work ensues on Milwaukee Murderer, getting it finished to bring and debut at Born Free 4 California on June 30th, 2012. I originally had a hillclimber style H-D springer on the front, which looked great, but I opted for this NOS Metal Profiles 32mm fork from the early 70's instead, half the weight and better handling. Especially at speed.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--m5Z0Qu4bJI/T4Xn631wCTI/AAAAAAAABq8/RPB3F4tUEbc/s1600/milwaukee-murderer-dual-engine-triumph-lowbrow-photo-2.jpg

Todd, in-house Tech at Lowbrow, has been working on assembling the motors. We are further ahead than this at the moment, however I just love this photo.

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Setting up the rear wheel with the quick-change Lester mag wheel, carriers, sprocket, 10-1/2" quick-change disc, and KustomTech caliper has been time consuming! One of those tasks where nothing is easy to find or even exists, and every bit and piece has to be made or modified so it all works together. This bike will have much more stopping power than my 1955 single engine Triumph race bike, though stopping isn't what I am concerned with, it's going.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZWYVQZsCE9M/T4XoArHQgLI/AAAAAAAABrM/hkQKOnsaPio/s1600/milwaukee-murderer-dual-engine-triumph-lowbrow-photo-4.jpg

A quick mockup, testing controls on the old Tommaselli clip-ons. Dead-man switch in case I come off the bike, KustomTech Classic Master Cylinder, Pingel micro switch as a kill, and a dual pull throttle. Lots going on there, but all necessary.

Saltytonk
04-11-2012, 9:25 PM
Man .....I wanna do something like this.......

OldStfCycle
04-11-2012, 9:30 PM
very cool. this bike will for sure be remembered for a long time.

GreaserMike
04-12-2012, 10:06 AM
Okay Tyler, come clean. This is nothing more than a sneaky ploy by Lowbrow Customs (http://www.lowbrowcustoms.com/) to take advantage of NASA's recent move towards the privatization of space travel in order to start selling pieces of moon rock on your webstore isn't it?

...and if so, I'd like to pre-order a moon rock.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5117/7071400479_9852871bc4_o.jpg

Tyler
04-13-2012, 10:08 AM
Okay Tyler, come clean. This is nothing more than a sneaky ploy by Lowbrow Customs (http://www.lowbrowcustoms.com/) to take advantage of NASA's recent move towards the privatization of space travel in order to start selling pieces of moon rock on your webstore isn't it?

...and if so, I'd like to pre-order a moon rock.


Yes, just one more step in the right direction.. however I don't think a Triumph-powered spaceship is one I want to ride on hah

Tyler
04-13-2012, 10:10 AM
I initially had a H-D hillclimber springer on this bike, with negative trail. I think it looked really good, but I ended up swapping it out for the 32mm Metal Profiles fork currently on there. It is about function more than form, and while the springer looked good, it weighed almost as much as the frame and wouldn't perform nearly as well as the hydraulic front end.

http://www.lowbrowcustoms.com/images/dual-engine-triumph/tyler-lowbrow-dual-engine-triumph-profile-photo-1.jpg

Here are a couple pics showing riding position, which will remain the same.

http://www.lowbrowcustoms.com/images/dual-engine-triumph/tyler-lowbrow-dual-engine-triumph-profile-photo-2.jpg

CRFyou
04-13-2012, 11:49 AM
Looks AMAZING!

You're gonna need a periscope to see your lane! HAR!

GreaserMike
04-13-2012, 9:07 PM
... however I don't think a Triumph-powered spaceship is one I want to ride on hah

Then why have you decided to build one?!?!

Tyler
04-14-2012, 7:32 PM
Touche, Greaser Mike :) Making old stuff go real fast is fun! I don't have to tell you that I know!

Tyler
04-14-2012, 7:39 PM
Got some fab work done today, messing around with an idea and I like it, just made one fender strut so far, still have to make the other side. All stainless steel so it can get a nice polish

http://www.lowbrowcustoms.com/images/dual-engine-triumph/milwaukee-murderer-triumph-land-speed-racer-fender-struts-1.jpg

http://www.lowbrowcustoms.com/images/dual-engine-triumph/milwaukee-murderer-triumph-land-speed-racer-fender-struts-2.jpg

http://www.lowbrowcustoms.com/images/dual-engine-triumph/milwaukee-murderer-triumph-land-speed-racer-fender-struts-3.jpg

The bottom sleeve was turned down in a lathe, it is slightly tapered. The 3/8" stainless strut rod was then welded into the sleeve on the bottom before that was all welded to the counterbore bung. I think it gives a nice detail and the whole strut setup should be nice and rigid, and light.

Torch
04-14-2012, 11:59 PM
great looking struts there Tyler, looks like there holding up one of Dan's fenders,
what is the finish on those engine cases ? soda blast ?

are you gonna bring that bike out to Born free 4 this year ?

Tyler
04-15-2012, 11:39 AM
great looking struts there Tyler, looks like there holding up one of Dan's fenders,
what is the finish on those engine cases ? soda blast ?

are you gonna bring that bike out to Born free 4 this year ?

Thanks Tony! Yeah Dan at 7 Metal West did up a narrow 4" for me, this time ribbed, he did the one on my single engine race bike a couple years ago too.

The motor and tranny cases are all vapor blasted, really nice finish that way! They look new.

And yep, hammering away on it will have it at Born Free 4 on June 30th, running and ready to rock!

Tyler

Ivannatinkle
04-16-2012, 8:30 AM
looking SICK

sumo
04-17-2012, 6:58 AM
that looks a damned site comfier than my twin engine riding position, maybe i need longer arms and legs, im full superman position on mine haha, and a hell of a lot better tucked in too. panther motors are so bloody tall

looking bloomin lovely :cheersmate:


http://www.lowbrowcustoms.com/images/dual-engine-triumph/tyler-lowbrow-dual-engine-triumph-profile-photo-1.jpg

Torch
04-17-2012, 9:08 AM
who did you use for the vapor blasting, that guy in Oregon?

Tyler
04-17-2012, 9:36 PM
Yeah I forget his name at the moment. He does real good work, and gives us a discount quite often because we are sending multiple sets of cases, heads, rocker boxes etc etc at a time. He did my ''75 Shovel motor cases and heads too and they look great
Tyler

erockson
04-17-2012, 10:07 PM
Cool as hell, but I also agree with the guy earlier in the post that it would be badass to flip one of the heads, then you could merge the exhaust if you flipped the front head, or if you flipped the rear you could run 2 split intakes with 1 carb on the right of the bike feeding the right cylinders of each motor and one on the left feeding the left cylinders.... maybe with Dellorto DHLA's to make it look extra badass?

Hoofhearted
04-17-2012, 10:36 PM
Flipping one head might look cool but Bonneville is about speed. Its much easier to set up the two engines if they are the same rather than trying to get a pair of oddballs to work together. Don;t worry though Tyler builds show bikes that are go bikes as well.

Tyler
04-25-2012, 7:54 PM
Magnetos are in... Thanks to Dave at Morris Magnetos these special beauties are ready to shoot lightning

http://www.lowbrowcustoms.com/images/dual-engine-triumph/morris-magnetos-triumph-pre-unit.jpg

Motors are almost done, hopefully will have cams and mags timed next week and motors are ready to go!

I mailed in the entry for Speed Week, the Milwaukee Murderer is an official contender, say hello to #901!

chopshopsnake
04-25-2012, 9:17 PM
That springer looks rad bent out like that.. is that for a trailering effect? Or just to be different? I don't remember ever seeing that done before.

Hoofhearted
05-26-2012, 10:22 PM
I know I have no business making suggestions on something like this, but I'd be curious to see how the build would have been different if you mounted the front head backwards and ran the engines closer together and had the exhaust manifolds merge on either side. if nothing else, it would certainly look neat. I think I'll add that sort of project to my list of "things to make if I get rich" shorter wheelbase would make it more manageable for street use - which is clearly not the purpose of this build.

I know this is a dead topic. But I was looking at a thread on another forum about vintage drag bikes when I spotted this double Triumph with a reverse head. To me its butt ugly. And thats as kind as I can be.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3788/scan00041a.jpg
By weslake (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/weslake) at 2012-05-26

Torch
05-26-2012, 10:42 PM
I wish that guy was around to ask some questions about that set up.
like... what was the difference in the carb jetting between the front engine and the rear engine?

Hoofhearted
05-26-2012, 11:15 PM
It would be interesting to know. I jokingly called it low buck build because of the monoblocs. Every other drag Triumph (single or double) used GPs.

Torch
05-27-2012, 9:41 AM
I saw that too, the GP's were certainly plentiful when that bike was running around in the early 60's.
but did you see all the cosmetic aluminum fab work that went into the primary cover and other places? That's not really indicative of a budget build.
and imagine the chain whip going on in that primary cover...
This bike would make fantastic "Garage art", wish it was mine.

Does TC still have the twin Norton? I heard there was a fire at the house.

Hoofhearted
05-27-2012, 10:22 AM
TC had a fire at his house but the Norton is fine. We've been talking about bringing it back to life as an LSR racer. TC says he'd love to see it run again. The records in the class it would run in are way up there. I dont think it would be a record breaker but it would be funner than hell to take it to the salt.

Torch
05-27-2012, 10:45 AM
that would be fantastic to see and hear that bike run, Obviously a LSR would be great, As you know, but just being there is a win.
Talk him into it !
Bonneville is on my bucket list, and the my clock is ticking pretty loudly.
I may tag along with Wink one of these years.

Hoofhearted
05-27-2012, 11:31 AM
Wink was at El Mirage last weekend. I'm guessing he had problems. I saw him turn out on his second run on Sat. Ran 144 on a 175 record.

You need to get to Bonneville. Its one of those places that if you like speed and bikes you must go at least once. Don't tag along. Put a bike together and run. Way better than spectating.

dukerollo
06-25-2012, 7:47 PM
Any progress on this?

Trinda
06-26-2012, 8:12 AM
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3788/scan00041a.jpg
radballs.

+1 on updates?

Hoofhearted
07-01-2012, 1:30 AM
I was with Tyler tonight and he debuted the bike at Born Free. Won best Competition bike. Which is absolutely no surprise!! More to be expected. So to put you out of your misery heres is the finished machine.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3994/topsecret1.jpg
By weslake (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/weslake) at 2012-07-01

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By weslake (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/weslake) at 2012-07-01

Tyler
07-03-2012, 11:13 AM
Sorry for lack of updates, spent the last 2 months in the garage!

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CRFyou
07-03-2012, 12:47 PM
Dude. Tyler.

This thing is pure sex. Hearing it run for the first time has to be amazing!

Great job! Best competition bike at BF for sure.

ridemore16
07-03-2012, 12:49 PM
Can't wait to see the pictures of this beast on the Salt! Good luck at Speed Weeks!

Tyler
07-19-2012, 10:47 AM
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GreaserMike
07-19-2012, 11:13 AM
I'm struggling to find a way to truly convey how in awe I am of what you've built. Amazing stuff Tyler. All the best on the salt.

Jburl
07-19-2012, 12:31 PM
Great build Tyler and congrats on bringing home a Born Free award. Wish you the best of luck in August on the flats!

Tyler
08-21-2012, 7:22 PM
Thanks guys!!

Back from the salt flats this past Saturday. Bike ran well, learned a lot fixed some small stuff, have a short list of changes and tweaks to dial it in for the Ohio Mile and Speed Week 2013. Top speed I ran this year was 128.89 mph, set a record in the 1350cc A-VF class. All in all a great week, very fun, lots of hard work, learned tons as always. With my clutch beefed up, more work with jetting and gearing I should be running mid 130's, and I have some more plans that should hopefully get me into the 140's.

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Pete
08-22-2012, 8:50 AM
Cool, bike sounds great! Funny, you are sitting and almost as tall as the guy next to you!! HAHA

Torch
08-22-2012, 10:31 AM
Tyler:
We are all waiting for the latest report from the Salts, I heard you were there....WTF, where's the love?.
Tony

Hoofhearted
08-22-2012, 2:48 PM
Tyler was there alright. New bike, bugs to work out. He was busy all week and improving each day. I think his best run was 128.840. But I'm open to correction on that. We had a great week. The oversize Weslake (546cc) worked fantastic. Best run of 129.475 for the mile and two records so whats there to complain about? Best part everything (more or less) stayed together.



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By weslake (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/weslake) at 2012-08-12

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By weslake (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/weslake) at 2012-08-15