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WayneBallard
12-04-2009, 6:44 PM
Had a great first time project fall into my lap about a week ago from Mike D. (suckaduckpunk1) for free:
<img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2694/4159193766_77733797e8_o.jpg"/>
Engine is out of a 1973 CB750 and we're still trying to identify what type of frame it is. after seeing the state the bike was in to begin with magazine superstar Courtney Halowell was kind enough to donate a gastank to the build:
<img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2602/4144615857_d3d654802c_o.jpg"/>
<img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2702/4154844892_774402bef2_b.jpg" width="600"/>

WayneBallard
12-04-2009, 6:46 PM
after removing the rear fender, tire and the engine I started to prep the frame for the new rear motor mounts and to clean the frame itself up.
Before:
<img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2687/4158427481_8705b744c2_o.jpg"/>
After:
<img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2760/4158427405_4a77e7e80b_o.jpg"/>

MadDog
12-04-2009, 7:45 PM
You are fucking STOKED!!!

I considered buying that thing off Mike, but I'm already building 2 Hondas and 2 Harleys. The last thing I need is another project.

I can't think of a better person to get that bike. Now, if only you can find someone with a CB750 chopper for inspiration ;-)

WayneBallard
12-04-2009, 7:47 PM
I think I may know someone with one.....

motoguru
12-04-2009, 7:55 PM
that tank is hot! lol.

MadDog
12-04-2009, 8:02 PM
Cheesy or not, I think the tank rules.

WayneBallard
12-04-2009, 8:07 PM
Hey the tank was free so I could care less what it has on it.....

Rudehog
12-04-2009, 9:20 PM
Dayum Wayne! good for you! now you just need to get cozy with Sugar Bear to get a killer front end on there!!

motoguru
12-04-2009, 10:19 PM
Cheesy or not, I think the tank rules.
so do i! it just sounded fucktarded when i referred to a flamed tank as hot.

MadDog
12-04-2009, 11:54 PM
so do i! it just sounded fucktarded when i referred to a flamed tank as hot.

Now I get it.

WayneBallard
12-05-2009, 1:32 AM
you can also follow the build here: <a href="http://valuewithoutpurpose.blogspot.com/">http://valuewithoutpurpose.blogspot.com/</a>

revmike
12-05-2009, 11:21 AM
Shit you have a bitchin frame to start with, the hard part is over. Actually, it's a really ugly, souless and purposeless frame. I suggest you send it to me to dispose of.... I guess I can pay the shipping just to hep you out....

A lot of cool potential. I'll be watching for some pointers to steal.

~Rev Mike

WayneBallard
12-08-2009, 9:33 PM
Got a little bit more clean up done on the frame today, I still have a good amount of sanding left (3-4 hours+) then I should be ready to start doing the rear motor mounts.
<img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2717/4171011582_40ca123582_o.jpg" />
<img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/4171011702_2ab7cfc0d5_o.jpg" />

cl175dave
12-14-2009, 1:13 AM
The tank is great. Cant beat something thats free, unless its unuseable. Keep at it!!

billybiltit
12-14-2009, 11:57 AM
wow killer score!
can't beat folks that want to give you stuff,
prolly should keep him around.
keep us posted i can't wait to see whatcha do with this.

leon holmes

WayneBallard
12-18-2009, 7:50 PM
So today I spent about 3 hours outside finishing up all the sanding on the frame. There are still some areas that I need to touch up but other than that I should be starting the rear motor mounts in the next few days.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2558/4195749509_a5c3edac1d_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2724/4196504700_d28bf48066_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2641/4196504804_61e4b86e47_o.jpg

Halwade
12-18-2009, 11:49 PM
That turned out great, Wayne. What next?

WayneBallard
12-19-2009, 12:48 AM
That turned out great, Wayne. What next?

Rear motor mounts are the first thing I need to get done on it.

jpswino
12-20-2009, 3:42 PM
Thats a good looking start. What front end are you going to use?

WayneBallard
12-20-2009, 4:56 PM
A stock CB750 front end, We'll probably have to make longer tubes for it though since the neck sits at about 6 over.

jpswino
12-20-2009, 5:20 PM
You make your own fork tubes to fit stock lowers? Or do you use someone like Franks?

noah
12-20-2009, 8:20 PM
Shit you have a bitchin frame to start with, the hard part is over. Actually, it's a really ugly, souless and purposeless frame. I suggest you send it to me to dispose of.... I guess I can pay the shipping just to hep you out....

A lot of cool potential. I'll be watching for some pointers to steal.

~Rev Mike

there is a honda frame for sale on the syracuse ny cl today

revmike
12-20-2009, 9:03 PM
Thanks, I'll look, think I fucked myself out of one in Colo yesterday

Rabbit
12-21-2009, 10:43 AM
Nice score...that frame looks like an old Amen Savior frame...bout the only old producer other than Santee. Some people get all the luck. Looks good man, keep at it. I constantly curse mine everday, and yet I love it!

jpswino
12-21-2009, 12:33 PM
Actually, nothing like an Amen Savior.
There is no springs in the back and the neck area is completely different.
See here.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/jpswino2/One%20Day%20Amen/AmenFrame001.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/jpswino2/One%20Day%20Amen/TheOneDayAmenFinished014.jpg

And this is an Amen rigid. You see the same neck area but no springs out back.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/jpswino2/Friends%20Bikes/100_1931.jpg

jpswino
12-21-2009, 12:45 PM
My guess is that it is some kind of "home brew" backyard chop frame. Best I can remember there were no 70's frames from "manufacturers" that had no seat support. You should consider adding something there for rigidity and support. You could also tie in the rear upper motor mounts to it. As is, you have nothing for those mounts. But you do have 3 other mounting points so its a crap shoot. The seat support would also help with the frames twisting.

Just from what I can remember, Amen, Santee, SB&F, G&S(?) and I believe one more were all out there back then. I'm no expert on the 70's stuff but have been around it for a while now

Even the new Cycle Exchange CB750 frames have the seat area support I am referring to above.
This is a pic of their ever popular "Boxer" frame, although I raked it for the girder. Its the same one in my avatar.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll150/jpswino2/Voodoo%20Chop/DSCF0005.jpg

WayneBallard
12-21-2009, 8:58 PM
Whoever had the bike before me and mike D thought it would be a good idea to hack the seat support and rear motor mounts off. So it had the supports/mounts at one point.

WayneBallard
12-21-2009, 8:59 PM
You make your own fork tubes to fit stock lowers? Or do you use someone like Franks?

Something like Franks/Cycle X

CaveMann
12-21-2009, 9:27 PM
I have that same frame on my cb750. I got it from my uncle and he cant remember where he got it.

jpswino
12-21-2009, 10:44 PM
I would seriously think about motor mounts. You need at least 3 of the stock 4 points used. I have seen guys run just the two lower mounts but I would not recommend it.

It looks like you currently have just the lower front mount right now. Most cb750 guys feel comfortable skipping the upper front mount but do run both upper and lower in the rear. You can see on the Cycle X frame how there are mounts coming out from the seat tube.

On the Amen, there are motor mount plates, which you could make and mimmick for your frame.

WayneBallard
12-22-2009, 12:23 AM
They rarely run top mounts on the front on old frames like this. I'm gonna do both (top and bottom) mounts on the rear and leave the front how it is.

DuaneBallard
12-22-2009, 6:10 PM
I've done a few of them. We are putting both rear motor mounts in his along with the bottom front that is already there. The rears were cut out before he ended up with the bike and are easily replaced. We are going to do them kind of like my white bike but without the bend. - Duane

jpswino
12-22-2009, 9:04 PM
Sounds like the right plan now Wayne. Three points of contact.
I see you edited your post.

Yep Duane, I suppose you have done a few.........lol
And I like the ones I've seen.
I suppose yall are related?

WayneBallard
12-22-2009, 10:45 PM
That old man is my father....

Just got some great news via a Birthday gift from Mike D. (suckaduckpunk1), it turns out that the frame is an old AEE frame that has been modified:

WayneBallard
12-22-2009, 10:51 PM
The Biltwell boys kindly made a donation to the build with their B-day gift:

Now I have the dopest lid on the block, and all I need now is a pair of Vans, Dickies and a Flannel shirt and I WILL BE IN!!!!

Rudehog
12-22-2009, 11:42 PM
Dont forget to ruin a perfectly good ball cap by bending the bill straight up!

Happy B-Day, Im diggin the frame! and your ol man is really old!

-Eric

WayneBallard
12-23-2009, 12:04 AM
lol

Thanks

Rudehog
12-23-2009, 12:28 AM
Dude! I want you to "Super Flake" that entire bike (frame tank and fender) the same as that helmet!

Green rocks!

WayneBallard
12-23-2009, 12:35 AM
I'm gonna at some point. Right now it's gonna stay @ the flame stage until I get a job and have steady money rollin' in.

Halwade
12-23-2009, 1:16 AM
Two words for you, Wayne:

Acme Springer.

Ask DBDAD what I'm talking about.

I think I can make it happen...

WayneBallard
12-23-2009, 1:47 AM
Two words for you, Wayne:

Acme Springer.

Ask DBDAD what I'm talking about.

I think I can make it happen...

That would be cool, but I'm thinking SINCE it's my first time building/riding a bike a stock setup would be the best route to take.

DuaneBallard
12-23-2009, 10:53 AM
His frame is set up for a 6 over front end. That one at your shop is SHORT. I wish it would work. It's NICE!!!

WayneBallard
01-03-2010, 8:22 PM
So I finally got back into working on the bike. McGoo and My dad helped out today with starting the rear motor mounts. We didnít get it completed we are getting there:
<img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4066/4243274140_8d004d2558_o.jpg"/>
While McGoo was out here he drew up a plate for use to put under the seat:
<img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/4242502477_4473a4dd37_o.jpg"/>
<img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2706/4243274324_2734d7904c_o.jpg"/>

revmike
01-04-2010, 10:00 AM
Nice work guys. what is the rake on that neck? 6 over with what size wheels?

WayneBallard
01-04-2010, 11:58 AM
6 over, and we are using a 19 on the front

WayneBallard
01-06-2010, 9:28 PM
PART UPDATE:
<img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/4253070236_1e570679fe_o.jpg"/>
This showed up today from Justin Brown, The front end is perfect besides top tree which we will replace in the near future. The front wheel says "H.A. Industies" so I need to do a little research to figure out exactly what it is.

WOMPY
01-06-2010, 11:03 PM
You're off to a running start Wayne-O. What wheels do you plan to use?

Rile
01-06-2010, 11:14 PM
Wayne, that wheel looks like a Henry Abe.

(Actually it looks like a Shelby Dowd, but if it says H.A. Industries, I guess that would probably make it a Henry Abe.)

WayneBallard
01-06-2010, 11:58 PM
You're off to a running start Wayne-O. What wheels do you plan to use?

I'm using the one that's on the front end right now and for the back i'm using this:

WayneBallard
01-06-2010, 11:59 PM
Wayne, that wheel looks like a Henry Abe.

(Actually it looks like a Shelby Dowd, but if it says H.A. Industries, I guess that would probably make it a Henry Abe.)

YES it is a Henry Abe, Thanks!

MadDog
01-07-2010, 1:12 AM
That back wheel is really cool. The 2 together will be a cool combo. I'm glad to see this project moving along nicely.

Jashole
01-07-2010, 9:47 PM
GOOD LUCK! keep it comin.

WayneBallard
01-12-2010, 1:39 AM
So tonight we made the template for the rear motor mount plates.
<img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4049/4267799487_89a750c420_o.jpg"/>

We will be cutting them tomorrow afternoon and I'll have pix up once we get them done.

bigdan
01-12-2010, 1:58 AM
the henry abe wheels are the feline's behind man.
i've scounged a few of 'em up for future builds.
that front end looks to be from an early wing (dual disc) they bolt right up to a CB750. (got one of those stashed too, heh heh!)

you're off to a helluva good start!
keep those pics comin'.

billybiltit
01-12-2010, 3:43 PM
projects coming along nicely!good job,
keep us posted!

leon

WayneBallard
01-12-2010, 10:10 PM
So today we cut out the rear motor mount plates out of quarter inch steel. The plates still need to get massaged a bit more but they are almost perfect.
<img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4003/4270129431_53be919d09_o.jpg"/>
<img src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/4270129317_a24aaaef72_o.jpg"/>

revmike
01-15-2010, 1:03 PM
Wayne: If you guys look over the old catalog pages, you'll see a couple companies did what you guys are doing here and then did some variations on flowing the design back into the frame. Honda Choppers (dot ) com has a couple catalog pages on their site showing that. I know you're going to contour those, just though I would send a line out on a couple idears. Looks good, get back to work and get us some more updates.

~Rev Mike

MadDog
01-15-2010, 1:21 PM
Honda Choppers (dot ) com has a couple catalog pages on their site showing that.
~Rev Mike

What is that url? hondachoppers.com showed nothin'

WayneBallard
01-15-2010, 2:02 PM
What is that url? hondachoppers.com showed nothin'

http://www.hondachopper.com/

revmike
01-15-2010, 2:07 PM
sorry, misuse of English on my part, no 's'.

The catalog pages are here:

Frame catalog pages (http://www.hondachopper.com/gallery_misc/frame_ads/frame_ads.html)

http://www.hondachopper.com/gallery_misc/frame_ads/frame_ads.html

revmike
01-18-2010, 7:59 PM
I don't think I saw pics of Duane's honda until today - up close pics. I realize that is the same fab up for the rear motor mounts. Actually looks good on the Franken, certainly flow fine.

~Rev Mike

turtle
01-30-2010, 2:17 PM
sweet frame