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tobiism
12-03-2009, 9:40 PM
Ya know, ever since the dawn of the internet, a lot of people are slowly losing their ability to THINK of the answer to a problem. It is so easy to run to the internet and ask how to do it than to figure out how to do it yourself.
Too many people don't sit down, crack open a beer and figure out a way to get past whatever issue they are having. Thats how you learn people! Trial and error! So what if you break something along the way, use that knowledge to help you the next time!
And then there is the constant request for pictures of bikes with so and so parts on them in just such a configuration. Where is the fun in that? Half the fun of building these bikes is seeing them in your head, just so, and then building them to look like that. Yeah, sometimes they end up looking awful and you wind up selling or trading off the parts you just bought. Oh well, at least you tried!
Use your own imagination, not other people's! Its so much more fun that way!

ChoppyGee
12-03-2009, 9:52 PM
I'll jump in this conversation after i find a good retort on Google...

WolfHunter
12-03-2009, 10:05 PM
True. Back in the day the only access to a bike,car or music, clothing was briefly in real life, magazine, or in TV/movie, radio only. In my opinion, that short glimpse resulted in a solid "sense memory" which in turn would trigger imagination. Now with the internet, every picture/info is at our disposal for total saturation and consumption. Now we overthink, emulate, and co-op style structures instead of internalizing sense memory through imagination. Pity our fugitive imaginations!.....uhoh gotta go Sons of Anarchy is starting. haha

billdozer
12-03-2009, 10:16 PM
I agree, but I'm guilty of it too.

CHEN
12-03-2009, 10:48 PM
Though I agree that some degree of thinking has been replaced with the "google search", I don't believe its entirely a bad thing. Its just another resource, and without resources like this one right here (chopcult and other forums) I don't think I would've ever gotten my first bike together.

I mean think about how you would've done it a few years back, before we had the internet. I mean if it were me, and I had no internet, I'd probably start with the manual, then some other books on how shit works, then maybe try to find some people to help me out, find some guys that know what they're talking about to teach me something about whatever I was having trouble with.

With the internet, all these same resources, including the friends, experts, etc. are all there, just easier to find now. I know where you're coming from though, things just aren't the same when they come easy, but the internet allows people like me to understand concepts that would've taken years learning by trial and error on my own, in just a few short months.

Metalismo
12-03-2009, 11:36 PM
I spent my whole childhood taking shit apart to see “how’s this work” or “what’s inside there?” My parents were pissed off till I was in my teens and able to put the shit back together that I disassembled. I was a pain in the ass down at the local MC shop asking Marv how to do this, or “will this bolt to that?“ Monthly I’d take the money that I earned mowing lawns and buy the latest Cycle or Motocross action and read them cover-to-cover till they were burned into my memory. I’d squirrel away my Pop’s Street Chopper, Hot Rod, and Truckin’ mags and dream of the day I would have something I had fixed up cool. I was “all ears” when ever his riding buddies stopped by to benchrace and stealing his tools to wrench on my dirtbikes much to his chagrin! I don’t think things have changed at all. Just the way we exchange ideas and trends. Sure the way we collect all this info has sped up but this hasn’t stopped people from thinking. Just the opposite dudes realize that it’s not all that hard to make something from nothing or mash it up and make it unique and personal. I’ve spent 20 years in many machine shops and can’t stand the attitude of “I learned by fucking it up so your going to learn by fucking it up!” Today I am the machinist and fabricator that I am because of the few tradesmen that answered my dumb questions and showed me the “tricks of the trade.” For that I’m forever grateful and I own it to those old cats to pass on the knowledge!
Just my .02

H34TH3N
12-04-2009, 12:53 AM
Does anyone else find it slightly ironic that the guy who posted this , posted it on two seperate msg boards? Just sayin.... lol, and im just fuckin with ya Toby....i gots family in Chandler...

hugodv01
12-04-2009, 2:13 AM
Not everyone grew up around people who could build, fix or even liked motorcycles/cars so finding information elsewhere was a must. I belive even the most creative of people need to find a muse somewhere.

A mentor, a library or the internet, It's the same deal in my book.

NeoDutch
12-04-2009, 2:15 AM
Man, I hate it when someone else beats me to the burn.

NeoDutch
12-04-2009, 2:18 AM
And then another post pops in between my post and the post I'm commenting on. and the whole impact is lost. Damn it.

svwannabe
12-04-2009, 7:00 AM
I think if its motorcycle related then i dont have a problem with it but its when its stupid shit like "my lawn mower wont start" or "How can you tell if you have herpes" thats when im like there has to be a better source then a motorcycle forum..... hense why i like CC better then other forums, it has a junk pile....

Markee
12-04-2009, 12:55 PM
I've spent plenty of time with trail and error. Still do and when I get a chance to soothe the headache I will use any resource possible. Using the internet isn't the path of success every time. Big difference in knowing what to do and doing it.

Now the picture threads get on my nerves too when they are of the "Lets see your flake helmet and your pet together!" persuasion.

hugodv01
12-04-2009, 3:23 PM
Now the picture threads get on my nerves too when they are of the "Lets see your flake helmet and your pet together!" persuasion.

how about a pet wearing its own?

http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images/2006-06/zoomer-gear-pet-helmet.jpg

Markee
12-04-2009, 3:30 PM
Its wearing Doggles

SportChop25
12-04-2009, 3:36 PM
Its wearing Doggles

Markee your attention span is AWESOME

billybiltit
12-04-2009, 3:50 PM
when i started buidling my shovelhead it was with my dad and brother.his old biker buddies thought that you had to learn everything the hard way.i got sick of being treated like a bald head quick.i learn shit quick tell me show me i got it,try it on my own you can leave now.
it was like they were trying to keep me down,so i turned to learning about harleys myself and only talking to people i trusted.which is very few and far between in my neck of the woods,so my shovel still sits never finished after ten+ years while my dad does a federal stint.but with the discovery of the internet i now know that i can finish it with the help that i can get from the internet on the few things i don't quite have figured out.although i don't know if i can stand seeing it out in the weather after all these years in my dining room,haha.
i think if you already have a basic understanding you can get jerked up to speed very fast through the internet.
i call it "internet diagnostics".
here is the shovelhead that i plan to have the internet help me finish,hehe.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_sAOOOObxJyg/SxmD2q86GuI/AAAAAAAAAcI/P2N8c5vQ2dU/s400/Pictures%20062.jpg
leon holmes

ditto
12-04-2009, 4:08 PM
wait a minute, now I er um i mean my friend cant ask about herp dick here?!?!? WTF!!!! I men, Ill figure out the keihin carb rebuild myself, but I aint asking my doc about the other shit!!

travasesino
12-04-2009, 4:10 PM
Now the picture threads get on my nerves too when they are of the "Lets see your flake helmet and your pet together!" persuasion.

i am in full agreement.

here's for you

<img src="http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y97/travasesino/dogwell.jpg">

lowfiron
12-04-2009, 4:27 PM
Ya know, ever since the dawn of the internet, a lot of people are slowly losing their ability to THINK of the answer to a problem. It is so easy to run to the internet and ask how to do it than to figure out how to do it yourself.
Too many people don't sit down, crack open a beer and figure out a way to get past whatever issue they are having. Thats how you learn people! Trial and error! So what if you break something along the way, use that knowledge to help you the next time!
And then there is the constant request for pictures of bikes with so and so parts on them in just such a configuration. Where is the fun in that? Half the fun of building these bikes is seeing them in your head, just so, and then building them to look like that. Yeah, sometimes they end up looking awful and you wind up selling or trading off the parts you just bought. Oh well, at least you tried!
Use your own imagination, not other people's! Its so much more fun that way!

Thanks for worrying about me. I'm all straightened out now. I'm glad there's people like you, the kind that like to tell everybody how to do it, what ever it might be.
OK Dad I'm getting off the computer!!

cafcustoms
12-04-2009, 4:30 PM
Doggles and a Hel-mut!!??

losbastardos
12-04-2009, 5:11 PM
hmmm..just a thought or two...spent FAR too much time on a well-known chopper site a few years ago, the advice was generally sound, but hardly ever did it actually help more than a word with my friendly local bike shop. with the greatest respect to the many knowledgeable mechanics out there(self taught and pro), net forums are at best a resource to be treated with a degree of caution. kinda like getting a doctor to diagnoze your illness via a forum, what could possibly go wrong!

on the hand, ya can't really argue that progress is a bad thing...especially in terms of sharing information and ideas.

TheDemon
12-04-2009, 6:21 PM
Not everyone grew up around people who could build, fix or even liked motorcycles/cars so finding information elsewhere was a must. I belive even the most creative of people need to find a muse somewhere.

A mentor, a library or the internet, It's the same deal in my book.


I agree with you completely!

TroubleLeather1
12-04-2009, 6:53 PM
damn. i just drank a Lone Star, read this whole thread, and instantly wished i had found something more usefull to read like a "how to not read useless thread's" .

Sawbones
12-04-2009, 6:59 PM
I dunno, I like having a resource to learn about something before bothering experts and wasting their time. The internet is great for information, but just like an academic paper would never sound credible if all the citations came from the net, you can't be a real biker/mechanic/whatever if your only experience is online. You've got to ride and wrench yourself to get the full experience.

Allen
12-04-2009, 7:21 PM
Junkpile

MyEvilTwin
12-05-2009, 4:35 PM
I believe the internet is an ok resource. However, too many people think it is the main or only resource for information and friendship.
I grew up deaing with real live people, building relations ships that have held up for years. I don't see that internet 'friends' hold as true. You can make connections here, but nothing like those when you meet and deal face to face.
As far as information, there is a lot of good info on the internet, but there is more bs than good. Sometimes it is hard for someone with limited experience/knowhow to firgure which is which.
Talking to someone in real life often allows you to get a good idea if the person knows what they are talking about or full of BS.
But it allows us to talk crap more freely than if we were sitting around a bar or garage with a bunch of guys we don't really know.

JayTucc
12-08-2009, 8:27 AM
I believe the internet is an ok resource. However, too many people think it is the main or only resource for information and friendship.
I grew up deaing with real live people, building relations ships that have held up for years. I don't see that internet 'friends' hold as true. You can make connections here, but nothing like those when you meet and deal face to face.
As far as information, there is a lot of good info on the internet, but there is more bs than good. Sometimes it is hard for someone with limited experience/knowhow to firgure which is which.
Talking to someone in real life often allows you to get a good idea if the person knows what they are talking about or full of BS.
But it allows us to talk crap more freely than if we were sitting around a bar or garage with a bunch of guys we don't really know.

Couldn't agree more about the value of actually dealing with people face to face. I must say though that sites like this one at least kinda promote creativity by how inspiring some of the build threads can be. It's also a great source for finding parts.

MyEvilTwin
12-08-2009, 11:02 PM
Build threads and such are a good thing. Some are a little more of a look at me, than they should be.
I try to use these sites as more of an online magazine with a BS section.
As far as finding parts, sure does make it easier. But takes the sport out of getting up before daybreak, drivn to a swap meet and looking through stuff. Good when you are short on time, but I don't think you can get the same satisfaction building when everything is just a click or phone call away.
Sometimes the hunt is as much fun as the build. Plus, the hunt allows more interaction between people. Sometimes you find what you didn't even know you were looking for.

ChoppyGee
12-08-2009, 11:34 PM
I wish I had swap meets and old timers and all those real live resources but I don't. there's no scene no builders shit there's no one to ride or wrench with there's hardly any bikes to pick up here. the internet is all I have but I the the evil twin was onto something it should be treated more like a Magazine.