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Halwade
10-06-2009, 11:14 PM
I promised myself I wouldn't start another project after the Street tracker this year, but after helping Duane Ballard massage his Pink Taco this summer, I caved to the urge.

The foundation of my next project will be this:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/1020frame1.jpg">

Spartan Frameworks' new 1020 steel frames are every bit as beautiful as George's 4130 chromoly creations, but at around $1200-$1500, nearly half the cost. If you're looking for a new rigid frame, you can hardly do better than this. Thanks to George for making this badass frame to begin with, and thanks again for giving it away at last month's Ground Zero Throwdown. Lisa Ballard was holding the winning ticket, and since her old man only allows Jap bikes in his garage, I got this baby for a song. Thanks, Lisa!

Halwade
10-06-2009, 11:27 PM
To keep this project light and lively, I've imposed a couple rules on myself this time around:

1) all new and used parts, custom fab services and related assistance on this project will be provided by ChopCult members, advertisers and supporters only. No outside help.

2) The wheels will be Sportster mags, preferably of the 9-spoke variety, and 19" front and rear.

3) The forks will be late model Sporty forks with alloy trees and 39mm legs. I used the same set-up on my Street tracker, and they look and perform great. Kutty Noteboom shortened the stanchions on my last set, and the are great. Why mess with a good thing?

4) The open primary will feature a single-row 530 o-ring chain. Narrow and aggressive.

5) Final drive will pass through FRC's LSD sprotor:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/Picture1.png">

Flyrite is a regular on the ChopCult classifieds, and these brakes look great, so it's a no-brainer.

6) This bike will have electric start. I'm old, fat and I've got nothing to prove. End of story.

7) Jason at Sacred Steel (http://www.myspace.com/sacredsteel) has graciously volunteered to design and build a custom-fabbed copper gas tank to my loose visual and technical specifications. Copper! Are you shitting me? I am not. Jason's work was showcased on Chopper Wars last month, and he won the challenge hands down. There's no pressure to kill the competition on this project, however, so Jason has free reign to go nuts. Thanks and good luck, my friend.

What else?

Let this thread be a call to arms.... if you want to share in the fun and glory that is bike building on a budget, please say so.

When I took the frame off his wife's hands, Duane Ballard volunteered to help make the seat. I'm considering a rigidly mounted solo seat with mini pillion/gunfighter aspirations, and I know DB can help make it a reality.

I've hit up Trent Schara for a line on the forks and wheels, but if anyone on CC has some, please let me know. I'm a motivated buyer...

Thanks in advance to all the great people who are helping me get this project of the ground:

Kutty Noteboom at Hippy Killer Garage
George Counes at Spartan
Duane Ballard
Jason Wilson at Sacred Steel

I couldn't have started this silly project without you...

Jared
10-06-2009, 11:31 PM
Stoked to see the outcome. That spartan frame is gonna provide the perfect stance.

Halwade
10-07-2009, 12:48 AM
30 minutes up and already the love comes flowing down…

Old-school badass, Sinners Nomad and FOCC (Friend of ChopCult) Irish Rich Ryan has graciously volunteered a Goodson breather for my project.

everyone is familiar with the clean look and simple mounting of these great hand-cast and hand-polished beauties...

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/goodson_1.jpg">


If you're not, check them out here. (http://www.shamrockfabrication.com/goodson_page.htm)

Now the only question is which carb to run:

A stock H-D CV, or the Mikuni HSR42 like I put on my first Evo BT four years ago.

As I recall, that bike ran great.

Mikuni it is.

Thanks again, Rich. I'm pulling the trigger on the Mikuni and will run your Goodson breather with pride!

Boylecomm
10-07-2009, 11:16 AM
EVO Again? Man. At least try a cone shovel and drive train, electric start.
Come on Bro be a Soul rider.

DanK
10-07-2009, 2:33 PM
How wide will the 19 be in the rear? Will a 4.375" wide .125" thick aluminum ribbed ducktail work?

Halwade
10-07-2009, 3:06 PM
EVO Again? Man. At least try a cone shovel and drive train, electric start.
Come on Bro be a Soul rider.

I hung out with the king of the soul riders last weekend... he cone shoveled and kickstarted himself into an asthmatic fit. Actually the late model Evo was Kutty's idea. Hippy Killer is providing the motor and tranny: a full polished rebuilt unit with none of the usual cool guy bells and whistles.

You know me, BCM... I'm a mangina.

Viva la Evo!

BTW, Blue Moon Customs has volunteered to paint The ChopCult Project.

We'll thrash out details many months from now, but here's a link to my new painter's site. (http://bluemoonkustoms.blogspot.com/)

Flatironmike
10-07-2009, 3:19 PM
WOT!? not a Sportster??? sweet mother of holy cranberry lactate frappe-titude. thank goodness

congrats. and i'll be the first to give you...... a hard time about it not being a kickstart...

hey, wait a minute. are YOU assembling it? or, looking for volunteers for that too?

look forward to progress pics.

Halwade
10-07-2009, 3:20 PM
How wide will the 19 be in the rear? Will a 4.375" wide .125" thick aluminum ribbed ducktail work?

The 100/90-19 rear Dunlop tire is approx. 4.5" wide from side knob to side knob... your fender sounds perfect?

When and how much?

Is the radius for your proposed fender acceptable for my wheel/tire combo?

The assembled diameter of my wheel/tire package is approx 27.1" tall.

Let me know, my man... your fender sounds perfect!

McGoo

Halwade
10-07-2009, 3:23 PM
are YOU assembling it? or, looking for volunteers for that too?

look forward to progress pics.

Are you kidding--I'm doing the whole deal. Of course, lots of good folks are lending a hand, and this thread exists to give these fine people (all CC members) their props for the process.

Mike, there is one thing I will ask your help on, but let's wait till the frame's on the rolling stock...

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Flatironmike
10-07-2009, 3:29 PM
deal!

happy to lend a fist

DanK
10-07-2009, 4:13 PM
The 100/90-19 rear Dunlop tire is approx. 4.5" wide from side knob to side knob... your fender sounds perfect?

When and how much?

Is the radius for your proposed fender acceptable for my wheel/tire combo?

The assembled diameter of my wheel/tire package is approx 27.1" tall.

Let me know, my man... your fender sounds perfect!

McGoo

That radius will be fine. I can get that shipped by Friday.

TroubleLeather1
10-07-2009, 4:21 PM
what's your idea on an oil tank?

snoosky
10-07-2009, 7:49 PM
Ive got a HI-4 ignition to donate. Wires have been cut down pretty short tho..

TRUMPNUT
10-07-2009, 7:55 PM
I'll come down and wire it for you !

blacklistVISUAL
10-07-2009, 8:16 PM
I'd like to donate my time as the "Official Shit Talker".
Get it done, I'll hate the whole way. Then, when it's all done, I'll let you know everything I would have done differently.
Seriously... it's the least I can do. And I'm really good at it.

Bobbed883
10-07-2009, 10:29 PM
I'd like to donate my time as the "Official Shit Talker".
Get it done, I'll hate the whole way. Then, when it's all done, I'll let you know everything I would have done differently.
Seriously... it's the least I can do. And I'm really good at it.

That made me laugh. Thanks man, tough day and that helped.

Boylecomm
10-07-2009, 10:52 PM
Oh hell, whatever mangina!
Give me something to do and I'll handle it for you. I gotta have a hand in here somewhere.




I hung out with the king of the soul riders last weekend... he cone shoveled and kickstarted himself into an asthmatic fit. Actually the late model Evo was Kutty's idea. Hippy Killer is providing the motor and tranny: a full polished rebuilt unit with none of the usual cool guy bells and whistles.

You know me, BCM... I'm a mangina.

Viva la Evo!

BTW, Blue Moon Customs has volunteered to paint The ChopCult Project.

We'll thrash out details many months from now, but here's a link to my new painter's site. (http://bluemoonkustoms.blogspot.com/)

Halwade
10-07-2009, 11:07 PM
Oh hell, whatever mangina!
Give me something to do and I'll handle it for you. I gotta have a hand in here somewhere.

I've got my old friend KB on deck for some badass mid controls. Hey Kim, you game?

PROJECT PATRON ALERT!

These guys:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/Picture2-5.png"> (http://www.7metalwest.com/motorcycle_parts.html)

Are generously donating this:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/Picture1-4.png">

DanK (http://www.chopcult.com/DanK/) is a ChopCult member in high standing with skills of steel, fenders of aluminun and a heart of gold.

You guys are seriously blowing me away with the help and support.

I'll respond to other offers elsewhere in this thread. Right now I'm wheeling and dealing with my old friend Trent on some sweet Sporty mags...

Halwade
10-07-2009, 11:10 PM
I'd like to donate my time as the "Official Shit Talker".
Get it done, I'll hate the whole way. Then, when it's all done, I'll let you know everything I would have done differently.
Seriously... it's the least I can do. And I'm really good at it.

This service is every bit as valuable as the wiring and fab work other members have volunteered, brother... thanks for chipping in!

I've made a living talking shit, so I know the value verbal dung slingers bring to the shootout.

Keep the BS coming…

billdozer
10-07-2009, 11:14 PM
I will officially volunteer to ride it for you!

This is going to be cool Hal, with your skills and the parts you've already assembled it'll kick ass.

Halwade
10-07-2009, 11:23 PM
I will officially volunteer to ride it for you!

This is going to be cool Hal, with your skills and the parts you've already assembled it'll kick ass.



I'm glad someone has volunteered to ride this fucker! I've ridden the CB450 a combined total of 19 blocks since April. This weekend Duane Ballard, Wes Drelleshak and I are working on it, however, so I hope to find my penis before the Street Chopper party in two weeks.

Thanks again for all the help. I talked to Jason at Sacred Steel last night, and he's pretty pumped on the copper tank for this beast. I can't wait to see what he dreams up!

Rudehog
10-07-2009, 11:39 PM
"so I hope to find my penis"...... well I can donate mine but it's been abused"

What front end are you running?




edit: Nevermind I just read the second post!

Rudehog
10-07-2009, 11:45 PM
Anyways I have some 41mm fork tubes and a pair of stock sliders aswell as a pair of chrome sliders.
Get some mid or narrow glide trees and machine them for the big tubes!

Boylecomm
10-08-2009, 12:18 AM
I'm in.
Foot Clutch & brake pedal right? If so I'll do a jockey shifter too. It'll be all nice like a 13 piece bedroom set.

I know shifter, brake pedal.



[QUOTE=Halwade;15460]I've got my old friend KB on deck for some badass mid controls. Hey Kim, you game?

Halwade
10-08-2009, 8:15 AM
PROJECT PATRON ALERT!

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/Picture3-2.png"> (http://bluemoonkustoms.blogspot.com/)

Blue Moon Kustoms (http://bluemoonkustoms.blogspot.com/) has volunteered to paint the ChopCult Project!

Jaymes at BMK has built a solid reputation in the bike paint game, and I'm flattered that he's willing to have anything to do with my little project.

I've told Jaymes about the copper tank from Sacred Steel as well as my ideas for how to paint it, and I just know he will hit it out of the park. I've seen his work on BF Josh's Triumph, and it is top notch. For my own paint, I'm thinking little bits of raw copper showing through the art and artistry in strategic locations, either as keylines and pin stripes, or perhaps little splashes of coppery goodness to tease and tantalize the senses of everyone who gazes upon what is rapidly becoming the finest communal chopper build since Huge King's ten-man clusterfuck on the Discovery Channel many (blue) moons ago. Whatever BMK Jaymes choose to do, you can be assured of its visual quality and stylistic dopeness. Having always been a powdercoat kind of guy, I'm not known for the high-end cosmetics on most of my builds. Jaymes will change all of that on the ChopCult SpartanKiller™

Thanks, Jaymes!

Halwade
10-08-2009, 8:23 AM
I'm in.
Foot Clutch & brake pedal right? If so I'll do a jockey shifter too. It'll be all nice like a 13 piece bedroom set.

I know shifter, brake pedal.

I WAS thinking shifter & brake pedal on the mids, but now BCM has me thinging...

what about hand clutch on the jockey shifter, a la AZ Nick's sweet green shovel?

Am I man enough for such a set-up?

Will radical hand controls of this nature force me to ride even less?

And what the hell is a 13-piece bedroom set?

Stay tuned for more news as it develops.

(BTW, I'm visiting Hippy Killer Garage next week to lay down cash advance for the motor. Has anyone seen the motor in Kutty's Plum Smuggler? This photo doesn't show the detailing, but there's gun stock-style hand engraving all over the rocker boxes and engine cases. Badass...

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/kutty-noteboom-plum-smuggler.jpg">

Rudehog
10-08-2009, 8:52 AM
Email and mess sent......

Oh btw, do the foot clutch no hand clutch on the shifter

Halwade
10-08-2009, 9:17 AM
This probably goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway:

These are the bars I'm going to use on the SpartanKiller:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/Picture7-1.png"> (http://www.biltwellinc.com/Bars.html)

I loved what Kim Boyle did with a set of Low Drags on Pat's Ironhead. BCM dechromed those bars, but I'm going with black ED. No dimples of course, and what levers I run remains to be seen. Probably nothing on the clutch side (KB and Rudehog are talking me into jockey shift/foot clutch), and my usual bored-out MX master cylinder and Biltwell throttle on the right.

svwannabe
10-08-2009, 9:20 AM
Email and mess sent......

Oh btw, do the foot clutch no hand clutch on the shifter

+2 on that, hand clutch on shifter is just random...

Boylecomm
10-08-2009, 10:18 AM
13 piece bedroom set = a dozen rubbers & a sleeping bag. You told me that joke?

Do the jockey shift, it's fun & takes about 10 min to get used to. Plus it might keep George from throwing a ball peen hammer through the garage wall once he finds out your putting an evo motor in his frame.

Figure out what Pegs & rear master your going to use, that'll help me out considerably.


[QUOTE=Halwade;15502]I WAS thinking shifter & brake pedal on the mids, but now BCM has me thinging...

what about hand clutch on the jockey shifter, a la AZ Nick's sweet green shovel?

Am I man enough for such a set-up?

Will radical hand controls of this nature force me to ride even less?

And what the hell is a 13-piece bedroom set?

Halwade
10-08-2009, 10:43 AM
I know what a 13-piece bedroom set is, my friend.... I was baiting our fair readers.

Re: rear M/C, definitely a Harley Sportster take-off, late model. the kind with plunger on the front, banjo hole on the back, flat top and two holes through the side for mounting to a plate beneath and between the trans and motor. Just like the Master Gator set-up from years gone by.

Re: pegs, dirt bike take offs, as always. I'll try to get some Kawasaki pegs from Mitch's scraps next week, or just buy some online.

Any motocross guys out there have modern takeoff MX pegs they want to sell?

Re: Jockey Shift; still on the fence about this one, but I'm warming up quickly. Will advise after I set on the bike and see where everything is going to fall...

The bike will have front brakes, so I'm not worried about foot clutch...

Going to Kutty's to talk about motor next week. This will determine our pace and haste considerably.

SportsterMike
10-08-2009, 3:14 PM
you know youll be required to ride this beast to the twine ball right.... well if its done by then...hahaha

Halwade
10-08-2009, 8:21 PM
Oh, it will be done by the Twine Ball... it'll be done by next March...

Kutty is working on the motor next week, and Jason at Sacred Steel is working on the tank as we speak...

billdozer
10-08-2009, 10:37 PM
Nick rides that hand clutch/shift bike with amazing accuracy and I don't think he's a trained circus ninja. You can do it! Put a proportioning valve on linked brakes and think how clean your bars will be with an internal throttle...

Halwade
10-09-2009, 12:08 AM
Anyone on CC have experience with this:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/Picture1-1.png">

I'd given up on internal throttles after my first build (all bikes since then have been 7/8" dirt bike hand controls), but Billdozer has me rethinking my stance. Well, that and the Biltwell bars I want to use are 1" only.

The product shown above is by Nash, and retails for $209. Anyone got a better line on price, or a spare kicking around that they're will to sell on the cheap?

Holler at your boy, dad...

imtheslime
10-09-2009, 12:53 AM
Nash throttle sounds sweet, They have a 20% Halloween sale right now, I put one in a cart it said $182.20 Shipped.
They have a lefty too, if you really want to make it a challenge to ride.

George
10-09-2009, 7:00 AM
JOCKEY OR ELSE...........

Just kidding, do what ever your comfortabale with, as long as your jockey shifting while your doing it.

CabritoLoco
10-09-2009, 12:46 PM
re: the Nash Sticky throttle, a buddy has one on his bike, he loves it, says it's like having cruise control,"just don't spaz and forget to un-cruise control it."

i have nothing else to offer, other than this is gonna be a sweeeet deal.

a communal build on a forum using only members and advertisers as your suppliers, genius man, genius.

Rudehog
10-09-2009, 12:49 PM
I dont know if this will add any "seasoning" to the build but the fork tubes and sliders I'm sending you went on the EDR07 and the Gypsy run 07..........

TheDemon
10-09-2009, 3:43 PM
If you weren't limited to just the chop cult world Debrix.com has some internal throttles for cheap.


http://www.debrix.com/Internal-Throttle-Built-in-Return-Spring-Harley-Bi-p/36-0575-vt.htm

and

http://www.debrix.com/Radii-Internal-Throttle-Sleeve-Assembly-Harley-Big-p/36-0570-vt.htm

The second link says for use with "billet grips" but I'm sure you could find a way around that, given the fact the throttle is only $55!

Halwade
10-09-2009, 5:23 PM
JOCKEY OR ELSE...........

Just kidding, do what ever your comfortabale with, as long as your jockey shifting while your doing it.

The man who built my frame has spoken...

Jockey shift it shall be.

Further re: the Spartan frame, George emailed me with some other details regarding my plans for a 5-speed and an Evo...

A couple more frame detail that may help avoid issues. I believe top motor mount is for a shovel, there shouldn't be clearance issue with the evo but the stock mounts won't work, so plan on making a top motor mount. AND one more thing,
The frame is set up for a 4 speed trans, if you run a 5 or 6 speed you will need to use an adaptor plate, relocate the 5th mount forward about a 1/2", and probably take a little material out of the seat post to clear the trans lid.
Let me know if can help.

G

To Spartan George I say this:

Brother, you have already helped more than you know. Thanks for the tips. Duane and I are taking the frame to Hippy Killer 10/10/09 to check fitment on the 5-speed trans and the Evo motor. We'll mark everything and I'll clearance it personally. My TIG skills have improved tremendously, and I want to do as much fab work as possible in this motherscratcher. Thanks for all the help!

I'll post photos tomorrow night from our day at HKG...

Halwade
10-09-2009, 5:41 PM
DONE DEAL:

Just PP'ed cashbux to Atomic Trent (http://www.atomiccustom.com/about.htm) for a pair of old-school 9-spoke Sportster front wheels (2.85" x 19")

Gonna adapt the LHD sproter to the wheel by drilling and tapping the holes to accept 7/16" recessed Allen cap bolts. Did it on my first three bikes with H-D alloy hubs no problem.

Billdozer has spoken, and the word was "mirror polished alloy."

That's what the finish on my F/R Sporty mags shall be.

It's going to be trick.

rusjack
10-10-2009, 2:53 PM
This bike is going to be great.. there isn't much so far that'd I'd change about your choices. I can't wait to see what comes from sacred steel for the tank

Halwade
10-11-2009, 1:08 AM
HIPPY KILLER FITMENT SATURDAY:

Good news, Spartan George… an Evo and 5-speed tranny fits in this frame like a glove. George himself was worried a modern powerplant and trans might require clearance beneath the backbone and behind the seat tube, but no such headaches will be forthcoming. Kutty, Duane and I laid the mill and the gear box into the frame at HKG this afternoon and everything is snug as a bug.

Awesome!

Kutty is dismantling the motor and tranny and I will take all covers, cases, rocker boxes, etc, to Geronimo Polishing in Lake Elsinore for the boogie wax treatment.

Glorious.

In completely unrelated news, Wes Drelleshak fiddled with the stripped plug hole on my CB450 street tracker this morning and after installing a new set of plugs she started right up.

Rocket Ship.

You were right, Gepetto--the CB450 is a blast to ride.

Duane, myself and this guy:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/alex-1.jpg">

are heading to Hell's kitchen after the morning game for nachos and bro downs with the Inland Empire chaps batallion. Alex is the dude who helped me get the CB450 running the first time pre-carbs and electronics, and he is one of Lake Elsinore's finest.

We're pulling out of DB's house 1pm Sunday, and if you live in the IE you're invited.

Boylecomm
10-11-2009, 9:22 AM
Scary...

http://www.timesert.com/html/sparkplug.html

In completely unrelated news, Wes Drelleshak fiddled with the stripped plug hole on my CB450 street tracker this morning and after installing a new set of plugs she started right up.

Halwade
10-11-2009, 11:54 AM
Scary...

http://www.timesert.com/html/sparkplug.html



That wasn't the tool he used, but it was damned close. You won't believe how we kept shavings out of the cylinder:

we packed grease on the tap and they stuck to the tool during extraction.

Some stuff fell into the cylinder, and we groped it out using chewing gum on the end of a drinking straw.

Shady shadetree mechanical stuff, indeed!

KB, I'm so tickled to finally have this thing dialed in you can't believe it. the $750 in carbs and electronic ignition really brought this crazy thing around. It is fast and revvy!

Can't wait to take your SR and my CB out for a silly retro Jap bike session.

ttys,

mcg

Gepetto
10-11-2009, 12:37 PM
Shit Magoo, the honda is barely done and you are starting over, You are the one that has a sickness! Dan's fenders are killer, got one for my bike after I did some freestyle motor cross shit and broke the old one off. And if Bill doesn't want to ride it for you, let a brother know.

shovster
10-11-2009, 8:19 PM
Ive got a narrowglide front end and a new crane hi-4, hit me up...

Halwade
10-11-2009, 8:56 PM
Ive got a narrowglide front end and a new crane hi-4, hit me up...

What year narrowglide trees? Are both top and bottom trees aluminun, or is the lower tree steel? I'm looking for alloy only. What diameter are the fork legs: 39 or 41mm OD?

Is your Crane Hi-4 complete (does it include coil, plug wire kit, etc)?

Pls advise, and thanks!

shovster
10-12-2009, 6:16 AM
Crane hi-4 is complete.. As to the frontend both top and bottom trees are aluminum, pretty sure theyre 39mm, will check, and will post some photos.

beezerglide
10-12-2009, 7:10 AM
This thing sounds superbadass can't wait to see the singlerow chain primary

imtheslime
10-12-2009, 5:11 PM
I was serious...hope I did not offend anyone.....I guess I'll have to rock the "fist of fury" on my own scoot.
btw nice Capt. Morgan VVVV

Rudehog
10-12-2009, 9:00 PM
Nice wig McGoo! you need some jeri curl now!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3490/4007379296_d1d6d91a21_o.jpg

Boylecomm
10-12-2009, 9:12 PM
Yeah, I'm thinking that's not a wig.



Nice wig McGoo! you need some jeri curl now!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3490/4007379296_d1d6d91a21_o.jpg

deucepjd
10-12-2009, 9:42 PM
looking good. Can't wait to see the finished product after the CB450.

Dope.

Halwade
10-12-2009, 9:43 PM
Yeah, I'm thinking that's not a wig.

funny story on this perm...

my friend TheLaura is in barber school, and last week she needed a perm model for finals.

I've done the perm thing before (it's just hair), so I said, "Sure!"

Now I look like a tubby dad from The Brady Bunch, only more gay...

Thanks for the fro, VonMonster.

Now, back to the motorcycle…

AfterHours
10-12-2009, 9:49 PM
I dig the do...grow a mustache and ride that chopper!

NOW back to the motorcycle.



...and the stare...it's like he's piecing my soul...


For real this time.....NOW back to the motorcycle.

billdozer
10-12-2009, 10:26 PM
McGoo please grow a fu man chu and continue to rock that brillo!

TemeculaTerry
10-12-2009, 10:47 PM
McGoo, you told me you were going to go get a perm - you wernt shittin, thats sum fucked up shit right there...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Rudehog
10-12-2009, 11:18 PM
Shit I thought that was "George Jefferson" after some Michael Jackson skin treatments!
BTW: Where's "Weesy"

Now get back to the bike!

Halwade
10-13-2009, 12:04 AM
Crane hi-4 is complete.. As to the frontend both top and bottom trees are aluminum, pretty sure theyre 39mm, will check, and will post some photos.


Pending photos I'll probably buy the whole kit and kaboodle... post the photos on this thread so everyone can share in the Evomonium (like pandemonium, but with less soul)

dirtyd
10-13-2009, 7:14 AM
McGoo have you mentioned rubber for this thing yet, and do you have it. If you do what other pieces are left man, I want to get into this action, and Im way far awayto come over and wrench or what not. So parts it is. Lemme know, Good thing you didnt go with the clutch lever / shifter, hard to turn with one hand whilst feathering a clutch . I aint got a mangina , but whats left of my brain I plan on keepin LOL!! And man that fro/prem is off the heezie. Grow out some eyebrows and get that bilbo baggins look. It s hot right now. Great Start on a great build man.

Rudehog
10-13-2009, 8:32 AM
McGoo that Hi-4 ign works great,be sure to get a "Voes switch" you will get the best performance that way. Also get your self some "Torque cones" for the exhaust , you can get them for 12 to 15 bux off egay. They are a must have on an EVO with open pipes.
Dont forget to get a Fro pick for that doo!

Halwade
10-13-2009, 5:13 PM
SPARTANKILLER™ MEAT REPORT:

I had to go off CC grid for rubber, but none of you are likely to fault me for my choice:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/firestone-motorcycle-tire-large.jpg">

Firestone's venerable retro tread, 400 x 19 for the rear and 325 x 19 for the front.

I bought my meats from Universal Vintage Tire, and the transaction was seamless and hassle-free. I sent these guys an email requesting their presence and membership on ChopCult, but I don't expect a response. They're located in a sleepy town in eastern PA that's famous for its chocolate. I've been down the hershey highway, so I know how easy it is to lose myself in the good life. Thanks, UVT! (http://www.universaltire.com/cart.php?target=category&category_id=291)

Speaking of bad brakes (as in, "Fuck—those brakes are BAD!), Whitneye at Flyrite Choppers is providing the follwing parts for my cause:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/Picture1.png">

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/Picture1-2.png">

The top photo is FRC's sexy sprotor for LSD. The bottom photo is of course their matching front rotor. The brake caliper is being delivered in raw CNC finish so I can have it polished by the same guy who's doing the motor, the tranny, and all my related alloy bits. Both the sprotor and the rotor are polished stainless steel. Dope shit!

Thanks to Jason and Whitneye at FRC (http://www.flyritechoppers.com/Pg/FRCHome.html) for all the love. I've been dreaming of using your brakes since you introduced them 3-4 years ago, and now I have my chance.

Halwade
10-13-2009, 9:27 PM
ANOTHER PARTS SCORE ON CHOPCULT:

I just bought a pair of these from Pangeaspeed (http://www.pangeaspeed.com/):

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/jesstensioner.jpg">

Andy at PangeaSpeed is a ChopCult member (http://chopcult.com/pangeaspeed/), and his shit is really cool. Here's how these babies will look on the axle plates on the finished bike:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/463.jpg">

Pure retro moto stuff. I love it. If you want to buy a set of these for your own scoot, check Andy's ad in the ChopCult Classifieds (http://chopcult.com/pangeaspeed/classifieds/272/)

Boylecomm
10-13-2009, 10:24 PM
Those Firestones are extra fun on the rain grooved california freeways. I love the look but never again.




[QUOTE=Halwade;16421]SPARTANKILLER™ MEAT REPORT:

I had to go off CC grid for rubber, but none of you are likely to fault me for my choice:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/firestone-motorcycle-tire-large.jpg">

Firestone's venerable retro tread, 400 x 19 for the rear and 325 x 19 for the front.

I bought my meats from Universal Vintage Tire, and the transaction was seamless and hassle-free. I sent these guys an email requesting their presence and membership on ChopCult, but I don't expect a response. They're located in a sleepy town in eastern PA that's famous for its chocolate. I've been down the hershey highway, so I know how easy it is to lose myself in the good life. Thanks, UVT! (http://www.universaltire.com/cart.php?target=category&category_id=291)

Halwade
10-14-2009, 9:47 PM
ROUSER ROB TO THE RESCUE:

After reading Rob Galan's post in the BlogDump, I have decided to recruit this CC member's service for the same treatment on the forks Rudehog (http://www.chopcult.com/Rudehog/) donated to my project.

To see what Rob's doing to my fork sliders, check out this post on his blog. (http://rouserworks.blogspot.com/2009/10/shaved-another-mans-leg.html)

Thanks in advance for the speedy treatment on my sliders. You rule, Rob!

rouser
10-14-2009, 11:24 PM
i rule my local grocers freezer! the ben and jerry's is mine...all mine! there are two sides to icecream addiction...

1 the fix of the cold, creamy, treat with giant chunks of dark chocolate, butter cups, heath bar, and nuts swirlled in vanilla and chocolate dairy goodness.

2 the insurance of added fat created by my body to feed on at a later date in a 3rd world country when the cat i'm trying to capture out wits me on a daily basis

3 the shits man, the shits!

i'm in mcgoo lets do this!

Halwade
10-14-2009, 11:34 PM
You heard it here first, folks… Rouser Rob is shaving my legs.

Don't let those unsightly bumps frighten you, Rob—it's just my nuts.

The legs will ship tomorrow.

The bad double entendres will end when you put down the ice cream scoop and get back to your lathe.

Please take photos of the process so I can chronicle your handiwork on this thread. I know you've done it once on BBB's legs, but I promised our faithful friends the full monty on this build, and I can't come to the Body of Christ to shoot 'em myself.

Don't fear the reaper...

Rudehog
10-14-2009, 11:35 PM
Grope the sliders a little Rob,I think they miss me.......

Halwade
10-14-2009, 11:51 PM
PROJECT PATRON ALERT:

CC Member LilGeneral has volunteered these jewels for the SpartanKiller project:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/riser-bushings.jpg">

What the fuck are these, you might be saying?

I'll tell you: they're alloy bushings to replace the spongy rubber ones that come stock on H-D trees.

Solid alloy bushings eliminate the mushy feeling you experience with big bars on rickety choppers.

not that I'll be running big bars, but in my MX days I always opted for the solid bushings as opposed to the rubber ones.

I just like that tight, solid feeling of a solid chunk of alloy in the hole.

For your own set of alloy riser bushings, drop LilGeneral (http://www.chopcult.com/LilGeneral/) a line...

And yes, those are his nuts on his profile photo.

rustrocket84
10-15-2009, 11:45 AM
and my usual bored-out MX master cylinder and Biltwell throttle on the right.

I'm looking for a master cylinder for my CB750F DOHC chopper project. Been looking for something cheap, but nothing has come to me yet. Can you do a write up on this. I'm keeping the dual front caliper front end. I like to be able to stop in a hurry.

fouraceswes
10-15-2009, 8:34 PM
Harleys Blow, why not build a Triumph?

imtheslime
10-15-2009, 8:39 PM
Harleys Blow, why not build a Triumph?

Cause triumphs suck.
Donate a triumph motor and maybe he'll change his mind.

Cody
10-15-2009, 11:36 PM
For your own set of alloy riser bushings, drop LilGeneral (http://www.chopcult.com/LilGeneral/) a line...

And yes, those are his nuts on his profile photo.

Sadly I did not heed your warning and was thinking nuts, as in bolts.

tobiism
10-15-2009, 11:54 PM
PROJECT PATRON ALERT:

I just like that tight, solid feeling of a solid chunk of alloy in the hole.



You really should keep shit like that to yourself.
LOL

Halwade
10-16-2009, 9:47 AM
Wes was playing the Trump card with a friend... there's no harm in his ribbing.

He knows I'm not mechanic enough for his preferred British crown jewel, and I poke just as hard at his lust for rust.

BTW, I saw Wes's good friend Frank at the Harbortown Bobber premier last night. Dozens of other SoCal chopper luminaries, too. Thanks for having dinner with me, VonMonster. While supping at the Irish pub the man named Irish Rich hand delivered this:

http://shamrockfabrication.com/goodson_page.htm

Dennis's stunning Goodson air cleaner will look good hanging off the SpartanKiller's Mikuni HSR42 carb.

Thanks, gentlemen.

imtheslime
10-16-2009, 6:38 PM
Wes was playing the Trump card with a friend... there's no harm in his ribbing. I don't really think triumphs suck, just a little ribbing of my own. Blow, suck, spit, swallow it's all good.
Speaking of ribbing I got to get me a Goodson.....

Flatironmike
10-17-2009, 7:54 AM
um, suggestion...

how's 'bout naming it 'Evo-Powered KillerSpartan'. the other way 'round don't sound right - to me.

again, just my .02

have a nice day

Halwade
10-17-2009, 1:46 PM
I was going to call it the Praying Mule Taco Smuggler, but versions of that moniker were already taken...

Where's Arlen Ness when you need him?

Ridicuness...

Molnesster...

Peness...

That's it! The name of my next bike will be Peness in homage to the master.

Rudehog
10-17-2009, 2:04 PM
Peness smuggler............

Halwade
10-17-2009, 8:18 PM
10.16.09 PROJECT REPORT:

It was a good week of UPS deliveries for the project. The fender, tires and internal throttle arrived.

Based on feedback on this thread, I selected V-Twin's repop of Streamline's sexy double helix internal throttle with BMX style wedge nut mounting:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/streamlineinternalthrottle.jpg">

The 3.0mm walls of the Biltwell Low Drag bars I've chosen for this project demanded some grinder and scotchbrite wheel time on the shaft of the throttle body to make it fit inside the bars. That being said, once I massaged the circumference of the shaft and inserted it into the hole, it worked perfect. A drop of Loctite on the wedge bolt was used to keep the throttle tube in place on the bars. The rest of the throttle's guts will get some Triflow to ensure a smooth twist.

Here's the finished piece installed on the narrowed bars:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/THROTTLE.jpg">

And here's the bars:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/BARS.jpg">

The finished width of the bars is 24"--very narrow by my standards, indeed. I'd like to think I'm cool enough for such a low-profile ride, but it's likely I'm not. We'll see.

ADDENDUM:

I just got a PM with some good questions, so I'll post my answers here:

I chose V-Twin's repop of the Streamline throttle for one cheesy but practical reason: at $85 delivered, it was nearly 1/3 the cost. Streamline invented what I think is the best internal throttle, but at $225 it's simply too dear for my budget. I like the Streamline/V-Twin for the following reasons:

1) the throttle tube is the same length as a grip. The Nash, the Exile (which I've used before w/ a ton of mods), and a couple others have a tiny 2" long throttle tube, and are thus designed for bolt-on grips. Being from BMX and MX, I prefer rubber (not billet alloy) grips.

2) The double helix rotates and pulls in a linear fashion with what appears to be less side loading or "stiction," and this seems like a smarter design

3) The wedge design is simply smarter and more secure than drilling holes in the handlebars and using a tiny set screw to fasten the throttle body to the bar.

These are my opinions (not based on any real knowledge of engineering or manufacturing pedigree), so all my theories could be complete horseshit. I've installed a grand total of three internal throttles, and this one feels the best. I've had it apart and reinstalled it on the bars 6-7 times during R&D, and nothing feels like it's going to strip out, wear out, fall off or break in my hands.

Re: getting in touch w/ V-Twin, I Googled them...

HOpe this helps.

pangeaspeed
10-18-2009, 11:13 PM
looks like a clean set up to me, that wedge design works so well or at least it did on my blue falcon some year back.

Halwade
10-19-2009, 9:39 AM
looks like a clean set up to me, that wedge design works so well or at least it did on my blue falcon some year back.

Thanks for endorsement, Andy. BTW, I'm looking forward to receiving your snail cam axle adjusters (http://www.chopcult.com/pangeaspeed/classifieds/272/). I'll take them to the polisher and BAM! super dope show bike shit!

Thanks again for all your help.

Scraper
10-19-2009, 1:14 PM
lookin good my man! im diggin on that throttle setup for my XLCH.

Gepetto
10-19-2009, 8:28 PM
Magoo, I know this guy who can do tone on tone skulls and chains and 666 for you all in black for the paintjob. It would be killer and all goth and shit. Between that and your perm you could score some Major tail on your preying mule plum smuggler fister mobile. Just a thought.

Halwade
10-19-2009, 10:45 PM
Gepetto/Tony, you are a ruler, my man. I'm covered on paint, but if I ever need to name another bike, I know who I'm coming to!

Halwade
10-20-2009, 12:17 AM
DOPE SHIT ALERT:

Tonight I emailed ChopCult blogfeeder Warren Jr. (http://www.chopcult.com/news/users/warren-heir-7.html) some questions about these:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/Picture1-3.png">

By far the cleanest, smoothest, simplest triple trees I've ever seen. I must have a set for this project, but built to the following specs:

• standard narrow glide dimensions on fork leg centers

• bored for 41mm legs

• pinch bolts top and bottom (I hate the way late model FX fork legs slide into and bottom out inside the top tree, and I'm going to do what I can to make the forks slide all the way through both trees.)

I haven't heard from Warren Heir, but my money says he'll know exactly what I'm gunning for. Warren's shit is dope, and if I wasn't such a pussy I'd just run his stock super narrow trees and a spool hub. trouble is, I'm already commited to 19" mags F/R, so his super narrow setup is out of the question (besides, I really like front brakes.)

Anyway, we'll see what Warren has to say about my silly requests.

Hey Jr., if you're reading this thread, share your insight with our friends...

pangeaspeed
10-20-2009, 4:36 PM
mcgoo, just so you know you sold me on the internal throttle i bought one for my ironhead chop that i am starting. also those chain tensioners should be there any day now. before you get them polished you are probably going to need to trim down one of the thumb tabs so that it will clear the plate bracket. do a trial fit and make sure you are gold. email me if this is unclear.

p.s. those triple clamps are sooooooo rad!

Halwade
10-20-2009, 5:28 PM
BADASS RULER ALERT:

Darrel W aka Snoosky (http://chopcult.com/snoosky/) volunteered a Crane Hi-4 ignition module for the CC project, and it arrived this afternoon in perfectly serviceable used condition. Darrel, free ChopCult and Fisters MC shit is on it's way. Thanks, brother.

I still haven't heard from my man Warren Jr. but I've got my fingers crossed...

rustrocket84
10-20-2009, 7:06 PM
those triple clamps are sexy as hell. that's what i've been looking for for my project. simple, with no extra milling or anything else. I'd like to have a set of these for my CB750 project.

Halwade
10-20-2009, 7:38 PM
those triple clamps are sexy as hell. that's what i've been looking for for my project. simple, with no extra milling or anything else. I'd like to have a set of these for my CB750 project.

Well then, my friend, contact Warren Jr. (http://jrscycleproducts.blogspot.com/) and buy some. I put Sportster forks on my '72CB450 and they turned out dope. I had to bore the bottom tree to accept the CB450 steer tube, then lengthen said tube 1.75" to fit the taller neck on the CB frame, but it was all very doable.

I agree. These are the best looking aftermarket trees out there. I love them, which is why I'm trying to get Warren to make them for me...

Warren?

Are you out there...

Rudehog
10-20-2009, 9:12 PM
McGoo, I had a Crane ign on my last ride and it worked great,be sure to use a "Voes"switch to get the best performance. If you didn't get the paperwork with it, I have it.
Dont forget torque cones for the exhaust if your running open pipes.

Halwade
10-20-2009, 11:28 PM
McGoo, I had a Crane ign on my last ride and it worked great,be sure to use a "Voes"switch to get the best performance. If you didn't get the paperwork with it, I have it.
Dont forget torque cones for the exhaust if your running open pipes.

Check and check. This Crane Hi-4 will be my fifth (three on my bikes, one on Bill's)

Thanks again for the fork sliders and stanchions, Eric. Rouser's grinding on the sliders as we speak, and I've got the fork internals on order.

Stay tuned.

pangeaspeed
10-21-2009, 1:37 AM
when do we start to get a look at the spartan killer?

Halwade
10-21-2009, 9:27 AM
when do we start to get a look at the spartan killer?

I hear that question a lot these days! I'll show the bike as a roller when...

1) Rouser finishes turning down the sliders
2) The wheels get back from the polisher
3) I mount the tires
4) My fork internals arrive from Custom Chrome

As you can see, there's a lot of Step 1-2-3… to these babies. As bike builds go I'm a pretty fast mover, but I didn't have anything but the frame when I started this project 3 weeks ago. By next week I should have the wheels in the building, and the fork guts should be here so I can assemble its legs.

Ooops... I almost forgot. I still don't have a line on triple trees.

Until I get trees, there's no roller.

It'll happen soon enough, but I'm not going to rush the process...

In the immortal words of Barrack Obama,

"Relax motherfuckers, I'VE GOT THIS!"

Acutally, I think Dennis Hopper said that

snoosky
10-21-2009, 10:54 AM
BADASS RULER ALERT:

Darrel W aka Snoosky (http://chopcult.com/snoosky/) volunteered a Crane Hi-4 ignition module for the CC project, and it arrived this afternoon in perfectly serviceable used condition. Darrel, free ChopCult and Fisters MC shit is on it's way. Thanks, brother.

I still haven't heard from my man Warren Jr. but I've got my fingers crossed...

Thanks for the good words Mcgoo.. Always down for the cause

rouser
10-21-2009, 6:30 PM
mcgoos fork tubes are done...

this is what i got in the mail
1454

and this is what mcgoo will get in the mail
1455

pretty bad ass huh yall?

Flatironmike
10-21-2009, 6:40 PM
shazam! rob YOU are the wizard!

yay!

rusjack
10-21-2009, 7:10 PM
i want you to do MY fork tubes like that!

Halwade
10-21-2009, 11:35 PM
mcgoos fork tubes are done...

this is what i got in the mail
1454

and this is what mcgoo will get in the mail
1455

pretty bad ass huh yall?

Rouser Rob is a goddamned genius.

Chuck up some sliders and spit out a springer!?

Fuckin' genius!

Thanks, Rob.

Fork guts are on order. Tomorrow I'll call Warren Jr. about the custom trees.

Maybe this bastard will be a roller before November!

pangeaspeed
10-22-2009, 1:36 AM
if you cant get ahold of warren maybe those trees should be the next pangea parts on the block. if i could get the dudes at the foundry to quit fuckin around i could have some other rad stuff to show you that would fit right in on this bike.

Halwade
10-24-2009, 10:52 PM
OFF TO THE POLISHERS:

Rec'd my 19" wheels from Trent Schara and DB last week. Should be getting my shaved fork sliders from Rouser Rob and my transmission from Kutty next week. You know what that means:

Off to Geronimo in Lake Elsinore, CA, for polishing.

Once the wheels are polished I'll mount the Firestones, replace the bearings, install the forks and I'll have a roller.

Of course, I've still got to buy axles, make spacers, and assemble my forks.

Damn—this shit takes time, doesn't it?

PHotos to follow asap...

Nicko
10-25-2009, 7:17 AM
Your welcome to anything I have in the take off pile, unless you need something "odd". Lemme know.

Halwade
10-25-2009, 8:48 PM
TECH Q&A:

Here's what I'm trying to do:

1) Bore 41mm ID holes on 39mm late model alloy Sportster triple trees. EASY. Leoj on CC is helping me do this.

2) remove the stock '89 FXST fork leg cap and oil filler bolts and replace them with something that resembles the stock oil filler bolts on late model Sportster 39mm forks (see drawing below):

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/FXST-fork-leg-cap.jpg">

Is this possible? Does such a thing as the bolt I've described on this illustration exist?

I am pursuing this solution because I want to be able to slide my 41mm FXST legs up or down in the Sportster trees so I can fine tune my ride height.

Warren Jr. has responded to my request for custom Narrowglide trees with my proposed 41mm OD pinch bolt design top and bottom, and if he can make these trees I want to cap my fork legs as cleanly as possible.

OK gentlemen: any ideas or solutions?

Thanks!

McGoo

Halwade
10-25-2009, 8:52 PM
Your welcome to anything I have in the take off pile, unless you need something "odd". Lemme know.

Hey Nicko, I need a 3/4" OD standard narrowglide front axle with all associated hardware, and I need a 3/4" rear axle of the standard nut and bolt variety. I'll post an inch dimension from outside to outside axle plate on this thread MOnday 10/27/09. Thanks for the offer!

McGoo

Nicko
10-26-2009, 2:52 PM
The part that sticks out with the alignment hole is pretty clean and unmolested. I took two pictures with a tape next to it, so you can confirm it will do the job. Lemme know if you want it and where to send it....

Flatironmike
10-26-2009, 4:20 PM
Perms are the new flat black...

other than that, i have no constructive comment to add to this thread, YET.

Halwade
10-26-2009, 7:18 PM
I think you might want to talk to this guy.


Hey Kim,

Kutty did exactly the same thing to the 39mm OD sporty forks on my street tracker (and on the Sinner's Prayer bike in the accompanying photos you sent), but my legs are 41mm OD.

H-D FX forks of the 41mm OD variety have the silly dog dick oil filler heck on them I tried to approximate in my drawing. As you may know, they bottom out in the top tree from the underside of the tree, and the big chrome bolt on the top holds them tight in the top tree (and closes the oil filler cap.)

I'm in a pickle that might demand some serious fab work, but I'm committed... the sporty trees I picked up at yesterday's LB swap are nice, and I started cleaning them up this evening.

Photos pending...

Halwade
10-26-2009, 7:20 PM
The part that sticks out with the alignment hole is pretty clean and unmolested. I took two pictures with a tape next to it, so you can confirm it will do the job. Lemme know if you want it and where to send it....

This axle is perfect. I'll take it! PM me your PayPal addy and I'll respond with my shipping address. Thanks!

McGoo

BigMikeOlley
10-26-2009, 9:57 PM
hey check out custom cycle engineering, they have a 41mm tree kit with tube caps

Halwade
10-26-2009, 10:15 PM
hey check out custom cycle engineering, they have a 41mm tree kit with tube caps


THE QUEST FOR FORK CAPS CONTINUES…

CC Member BigMike's tip above got me Googling. Here's what I learned:

1) Custom Cycle Engineering in Oceanside, CA makes fork caps that allow 41mm legs to go inside clamping style NG triple trees.

2) I'm not going to buy CCE's trees, but I am going to bore my own Sportster 39mm trees to accept the 41mm legs. This cap should allow me to insert the legs into the bored pinch bolt hole:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/Picture1-5.png">

I've emailed CCE, and I'll keep everyone posted.

CCE isn't a ChopCult member, but BikeMike shared the breadcrumbs that led me to this solution, so this should count...

Thanks!

jakazz
10-27-2009, 6:09 AM
how bout these

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170399593033&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AVRI

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg167/jakazz007/caps.jpg

pangeaspeed
10-27-2009, 11:52 AM
i thought you might like to see these new parts i just got from the foundry. the first is a cable and wire guide. if you want to run wires or cables through the frame just drill a hole in the frame, weld one of these on and bam! now your junction looks cool and your stuff doesnt chafe. the second is a weld on 5/16-18 threaded boss that can be welded on for mounting an oil tank, saddle bag, coil etc.

pangeaspeed
10-27-2009, 11:54 AM
oh i also have matching seat spring stantions that should be here with in the next few weeks, i dont know if you are running a sprung seat but if so these would add some style.

L7Josh
10-27-2009, 1:07 PM
Andy those are looking great

Fredo
10-27-2009, 1:16 PM
Just got off the phone with Andy. Had to have a set of those axel adjusters so I can be just like my hero Magoo!

imtheslime
10-27-2009, 1:36 PM
Just got off the phone with Andy. Had to have a set of those axel adjusters so I can be just like my hero Magoo!

I picked up a set too. It will be a bit before I can put them to use, but definitely stoked.

WOMPY
10-27-2009, 1:52 PM
Hey If you can't find those caps, I'll make em for ya. It's the least I can do for you since you did broker that FKC helmet deal !!!!!!!

Halwade
10-27-2009, 7:16 PM
FORK STANCHION CAP UPDATE:

BigMikeOlley (http://www.chopcult.com/BigMikeOlley/)has volunteered to make a set of fork leg caps that will allow my 41mm FX legs to pass through the bored-out 39mm Sporty trees on my project. Here's how the man himself describes the design and process:

I was planning on removing the section that fits into the stock top tree and inserting a big ass allen headed bolt into the filler hole and welding it to the portion that was left. they wont be as flush as the 39mm style, but much more inexpensive. If you are interested i would love to make and donate a set. I have a set of tube caps in my hand ready for modification. Let me know and I'll send you a set and if you don't use them just send them back. Let me know, would love to help, Mike

Well my friend, I AM interested, and when MIke finishes the fab work I'll post photos of his handiwork on this thread. Mike, if you can, please shoot some pics of the process so we can show our readers what you're talking about.

In other project news, Kutty Noteboom delivered all my motor parts (cases, rocker boxes, covers, etc.) to Geronimo the polisher today, and I should be able to pick up these things for the motor re-asembly this Friday. I will definitely shoot photos of this stuff for your viewing enjoyment.

We also machined a spacer for the sprotor today. This spacer will put the rear sprotor where it needs to be relative to the countershaft sprocket on the tranny and thus allow my 19" front wheel to spin where it belongs in the middle of the frame. Without this spacer the wheel would have been 1" to the left of center... not good. I'll post photos tomorrow morning.

pangeaspeed
10-27-2009, 11:54 PM
so in the grand scheam of things i am rather new to the chopper world..... thus far i am completely floored at how many bikes i have seen with the rear wheel mounted off center!!!!! it just blows me away at how someone could build a bike with the wheel 1in out of whack!

it looks like this bike is really shaping up to be quite the ride.

Halwade
10-28-2009, 8:35 PM
10/29/09

FORK CAP CONUNDRUM SOLVED:

CC member BigMikeOlley (http://www.chopcult.com/BigMikeOlley/) came through on time and under budget with this slick save, and I couldn't be more thankful. Follow MIke's simple lead and you too can have shorty fork caps for your 41mm H-D legs…

Step 1:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/step-1.jpg">

Start with a pair of these. The necked-down section of each cap (the part the big hex bolt screws into) is designed to slide into an approximately 1" hole on the top tree of FX forks. I'm installing these legs in a set of bored-out 39mm alloy Sportster trees, so this necked section had to go. But how?

Step 2:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/cutready-for-weld.jpg">

Big Mike busted out the disk grinder and cut the neck off both fork caps. Easy. The Allen cap screws in this photo will be cut off and inserted into the hole that's left behind. Mike cut each Allen cap screw down to about 3/8" below the base of the Allen head. this short shaft section will slip into the hole for step 3…

Step 3:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/getting-welded.jpg">

After buffing back the chrome plating on the top of the cap, Big Mike TIG welded the shortened Allen Cap screw to the top of each cap. Here's the before and after sample for this step.

Con'd...

Halwade
10-28-2009, 8:39 PM
(con'd)

Here's a shot of the finished product before any sanding, buffing or re-plating:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/finished-pair.jpg">

And here's a detail of the cap after it's installed in the fork leg:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/finished-unit.jpg">

The Allen cap provides plenty of purchase with the appropriate wrench for installation, and looks moto and tech, to boot. I'll take some files, scotchbrite wheels and a buffer to each piece before final assembly, but I doubt I'll bother to have them re-chromed unless somebody busts my balls--Duane, are you reading this ;-)

Thanks to BigMikeOlley for volunteering the service, sacrificing the take-off part and for shooting these great photos for the how-to.

Leoj and I are boring the trees next week, so my forks should be installed before the wheels come back from the polisher.

BigMikeOlley
10-28-2009, 8:54 PM
Easy fix McGoo, I'll have them in the air tomorrow from Cheyenne. Pleasure hookin up a great project!

Big Mikey

DuaneBallard
10-28-2009, 11:27 PM
I'm reading it McGoo. No half assing this thing. Your already going to have a box of shit going to chrome. Just throw those in with it. - Duane

Halwade
10-29-2009, 12:33 AM
I'm reading it McGoo. No half assing this thing. Your already going to have a box of shit going to chrome. Just throw those in with it. - Duane

CHROME ALERT!

Today I dropped off my Flyrite Choppers rear brake caliper and drilled/milled old-school 9-spoke Sporty mags at Geronimo's in Elsinore for mirror polishing. Guess what was sitting on my friend's shelf waiting for polish?

All the parts from the Evo motor Kutty Noteboom is building for me!

Geronimo says I should be able to pick up EVERYTHING next Monday.

When that day comes, I'll shoot photos of all the blingy bits.

And DB is right: I think I'll have a dozen gizmo's ready for C/P late next week.

Man, it's gonna take some time to get used to this whole chromed-out chopper trip I'm on...

Thanks for the push, Duane

pangeaspeed
10-29-2009, 1:08 AM
yeah i agree with duane, gotta give all the parts the proper treatments. you wont regret it in the end.

Rudehog
10-29-2009, 1:30 AM
You fuggin Chromosexual

Boylecomm
10-29-2009, 9:52 AM
BigMikeOlley that's a great fix!
I'll be borrowing that maybe sinking the bolt flush?

Is this this shiny bike going to have a front brake

Halwade
10-29-2009, 10:06 AM
BigMikeOlley that's a great fix!
I'll be borrowing that maybe sinking the bolt flush?

Is this this shiny bike going to have a front brake

Hey Kim,

I knew you'd like BMO's solution!

And yes, I thought about the recessed look you mention, but I bet the welding process would make the Allen wrench hole a tight fit after the welds cool.

This bike is getting a front brake, but I've yet to find a caliper I like that's designed to fit '89 FXST sliders.

Any suggestions?

hwm

chprs4life
10-29-2009, 10:54 AM
Sorry for the late response. Just found the thread. I appoloize to Mcgoo for dragging my feet (or cnc dude dragging his to be more frank) Looks like the project is moving to quick for me to help. Should be a prety bitchin project. Lots of support. Good-Luck, let me know if I can be of any other assistance.

Warren
Jr's Cycle Products.

P.S. I have an order on for more trees. I have changed the design up a bit. Available in 35mm, 39mm and 41mm (top pinch clamp style just like the 39 mm trees. Pics of the trees can be found at www.jrscycleproducts.blogspot.com http://www.jrscycleproducts.blogspot.com

Halwade
10-29-2009, 1:56 PM
Don't even sweat it, Warren.

I know I'll be back to buy a set of your trees when they're in stock.

41mm pinch bolt Narrowglide trees from Jr's are the cat's PJ's!

Bored Sporty trees will simply have to do.

Thanks again!

Halwade
10-29-2009, 8:36 PM
10/29/09 PARTS UPDATE:

JB at Tech Cycle gave me a sweet deal on this:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/image001.jpg">

Now I know JB isn't a ChopCult member, and I'm sure Tech Cycle marketing mavens probably don't think ChopCult members are their target consumer, but let me say this in defense of my choice for Tech's awesome 530 chaindrive open primary:

It's badass. If deviating from my original promise to use products and sevices from CC members only makes me a hypocrite, guilty as charged. I promise to make it up to you by convincing JB to join our tribe.

Apparently, Paul Cox was instrumental in this primary drive's design. It's certainly a clean-looking unit, and that's what attracted me in the first place.

Its lack of a rear primary plate might make installation of mid controls a little tricky, but I talked about some ideas with Kutty last night that we think will work nicely. More news on these as they develop.

Thanks JB for the sweet deal on my new hardware. Stay tuned for photos and more info when the kit arrives next week.

crownmotorz
10-29-2009, 8:47 PM
Just Throwing this out there. i have the tech cycle 1 5/8 belt primary on my pan head. it is awesome. but i am also running no backing plate with mid controls and i am on my 3 transmission plate. this time i am putting a 3/8 stainless plate in so hopefully i wont have the transmission plate break on the freeway and send me into a high speed wobble in the fast lane... if you want one i just had some cut from my laser guy i would be willing to donate to the cause....

Shawn
10-29-2009, 10:03 PM
Yeah, what he said.
A fellow Northerner here has a tech cycle set up on his evo chopbobaloola sans backing plate and he went through two of them before he was smart enough to make a small but effective brace.
Something you may want to consider while still in the design stage rather than the sitting on the side of the road broken down stage.

pangeaspeed
10-29-2009, 10:23 PM
mcgoo, i dont know what kinda control set you are going to run but what about running a 1in dia tube that has a 90 degree bend in it off the frame rail and then out the middle of the chain drive. i dont know if that makes sence but it seems pretty basic. i think that is how yaniv at powerplant runs his stuff.

Halwade
10-29-2009, 10:52 PM
if you want one i just had some cut from my laser guy i would be willing to donate to the cause....

Lammers my man, I am sold! Send me your PP add and I'll paypal you some cash. 3/8" SS is thick enough for me to do what I've been thinking about: drill down and tap out two bolt holes on the front edge of the tranny plate so I can install two allen cap screws. These screws will push against the tranny bolts and keep the transmission from shifting laterally under torque loads. I've seen this design on equally thick alloy plates, but no one can tell me where to buy one. I'll buy yours and make it do the job I just described. This should fix the problem you and Shawn are concerned about.

Thanks!

Halwade
10-29-2009, 10:54 PM
mcgoo, i dont know what kinda control set you are going to run but what about running a 1in dia tube that has a 90 degree bend in it off the frame rail and then out the middle of the chain drive. i dont know if that makes sence but it seems pretty basic. i think that is how yaniv at powerplant runs his stuff.


This is essentially what I'm thinking, but I'll make it removable for easier assembly and future modification.

BCM Kim has volunteered to help, and he's made some badass mids for other machines.

I'll keep you posted when fab time rolls around.

Boylecomm
10-30-2009, 9:50 AM
I'm just waiting for all the primary and exhaust details to be penciled in and we can go from there.
Oh & if your have a peg style in mind that would be helpful.


This is essentially what I'm thinking, but I'll make it removable for easier assembly and future modification.

BCM Kim has volunteered to help, and he's made some badass mids for other machines.

I'll keep you posted when fab time rolls around.

Halwade
10-30-2009, 11:01 AM
if your have a peg style in mind that would be helpful.

Hey Kim,

The motor should be done Nov 15. The trans is in the frame, and the primary will be here late next week. We will have 2/3 of the drive train installed by Nov 10.

Re: pegs, Not sure about this yet. My heart says Ti PC MX pegs, but my mind says knurled alloy. Anything we do will be made to fold.

stay tuned...

Nicko
10-30-2009, 11:22 AM
we have one on my boss's bike, that he fabbed himself. The concern with running no chain tensioner is starting with a tight chain and the transmission moved as far forward as possible. We ended up using an FXR chain I think. BUT, as the chain wears in you have to move the tranny back to keep it in adjustment. Just food for thought. Starting out with too lang a chain and no adjustment looks sloppy when it is running., etc.

Boylecomm
10-30-2009, 1:33 PM
Late model YZ-YZF Ti came stock, hunt e bay



Hey Kim,

The motor should be done Nov 15. The trans is in the frame, and the primary will be here late next week. We will have 2/3 of the drive train installed by Nov 10.

Re: pegs, Not sure about this yet. My heart says Ti PC MX pegs, but my mind says knurled alloy. Anything we do will be made to fold.

stay tuned...

erikweste
10-30-2009, 2:53 PM
Late model YZ-YZF Ti came stock, hunt e bay

McGoo, I know of a set with a crack or break on one side so he wont be running it MX anymore if you know anyone that can weld Ti.

... or if you dont mind a gnarly set of billet with spikes like no other I have a set I will donate to the cause.



~E

Halwade
10-30-2009, 7:45 PM
McGoo, I know of a set with a crack or break on one side so he wont be running it MX anymore if you know anyone that can weld Ti.

... or if you dont mind a gnarly set of billet with spikes like no other I have a set I will donate to the cause.



~E

Sold!

Thanks Erik. I'll be in OC next week. Can I visit you at your new pad in Laguna Beach for lunch and peg hookup?

Halwade
10-30-2009, 7:50 PM
10.30.09 PRE-HELLOWEEN SPECIAL:

Rob Rouser's Fork Shave How-To…

Photo 1:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo1.jpg">
McGoo's box arrives, Excitement grows; I'm crossing my fingers to find a copy of Juggs magazine inside.

Photo 2:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo2.jpg">
Open box, excitement shrinks. There is no porno.

Photo 3A, 3B:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo3.jpg">
<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo3B.jpg">
Clear notes and illustrations let me know what material is to be removed.

Con'd…

Halwade
10-30-2009, 7:54 PM
Photo 4:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/safety-gear.jpg">

Safety first. I wear a welder's cap to look like I know what I'm doing, and safety glasses because metal in the eye sucks. And I always wear a breather mask… aluminum dust plays havoc on a pot smoker's throat.

Photo 5:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo4.jpg">

I use a disk grinder to remove the really big chucks of material first.

Photo 6:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo5.jpg">
Detail of hack job on big chunks.

Photo 7:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo6.jpg">

No good. The axle clamp studs won't let me mount the leg in the lathe. What to do?

Con'd…

Halwade
10-30-2009, 7:58 PM
Photo 8:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo7.jpg">

The magic stud removing tool

Photo 9:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo8.jpg">
Just insert the shaft into the hole and twist the magic tool with a wrench.

Photo 10:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo9.jpg">
With these out of the way…

Photo 11:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo10.jpg">

Now you can do this.

Halwade
10-30-2009, 7:58 PM
Photo 12:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo13.jpg">

Shaving legs is fun.

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo12.jpg">

See?

Photo 13:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo14.jpg">

Photo 14:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo15.jpg">

With the shaved leg still chucked up in the lathe, Rob uses emory paper to smooth out the finish of the legs.

con'd…

Halwade
10-30-2009, 8:02 PM
Photo 15-17:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo18.jpg">

Take your time and do it right and your legs will look like this

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo17.jpg">

and this

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo19.jpg">

And this.

Halwade
10-30-2009, 8:07 PM
Photo 18:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo20.jpg">

Sometimes, however, you'll run into a hollow spot in the casting that leaves a hole behind like this. When this is the case, Rob busts out the emory cloth and goes deeper with the finger pressure to massage the hole until it's gone (see photo 14)

Photo 19:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo16.jpg">

The finished products.

Rob, you killed it, my man. I can not thank you enough.

Rouser Rob (http://chopcult.com/rouser/) is ready to rock this shit for customers. His prices are right, his turnaround is insane, and his notes and photos are first rate.

Thanks again, Rob. I really appreciate it, and I think CC members will learn from it.

pangeaspeed
11-01-2009, 12:41 AM
looks rad rob! you did a stellar job. mcgoo if you need anything fabricated i would love to help just let me know.

NeoDutch
11-01-2009, 6:00 AM
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo8.jpg

Run a nut onto the stud. Run a second nut onto the stud and snug it up to the first one. Back out the first nut and the stud should come with it. You may need a 2nd spanner if the second nut wants to turn.

Halwade
11-01-2009, 10:23 AM
Another good system... I showed the stud extractor b/c that's what Rob used. I've also used Vise Grips...

cheesy.

pangeaspeed
11-01-2009, 12:04 PM
i thought that extractor looks fuckin rad! i didnt know they made those. i have been doing the two nut method for years but it gets old when there are like 20 studson a block to do.

Halwade
11-04-2009, 8:53 AM
11.4.09 PROJECT WANT LIST:

Attention Cultists, I'm in the market to buy the following stuff for my project:

1 clean-looking kickstand with an external spring and a weld-on bracket for the under-motor frame tubes

1 13-inch long x 3/4" OD rear axle: standard nut-and-bolt type; no built in retainer for the dropout slot. Chrome preferred; custom made stainless steel gladly accepted!

1 cool-looking oil pan w/ battery box (U-shaped Softail style acceptable, but I'm thinking something cooler, perhaps like this:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/Picture1-6.png">

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/Picture2.png">

This one is built by NYC Choppers, a toughguy Big Dog style chopper brand if ever there was one. I'd prefer to buy something custom built from one of the badass fabricators on this site, but I'm easy like Sunday morn...

Here's why I like this one:

1) its thin cross section has me believing it will clear the top of the starter and the tranny's starter bracket w/o issues or additional fab work

2) it will hold the battery snugly beneath my frame-mounted mini cobra seat so I don't have to look at the top of the battery and the beehive of wires that I plan to hide in that space

3) an aluminum bag appeals to me on the outside chance I elect to polish or scotchbrite it.

Blue Moon Customs will eventually paint this beast, and if I can lower the number of body pieces on his side that will be a huge step in the right direction toward lasting friendship!

Other crap I need:

• Hand controls. I know I promised to do a Jockey Shift, but I'm just not that guy, and I don't think a foot clutch and jockey shift looks right in the context of an Evo-powered chopper... too old-school/cool-guy for the rest of my mostly new-school/nerd-guy bike. I'm sticking with hand controls b/c that's what came on Evo-era bikes. H

Hey--it's all about staying true to the bike's roots, right?

Maybe it isn't, but I like the mechanics and periodic elegance of hand controls. I REALLY like these:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/Picture3.png">

Ok, not with the finger indents or the shiny black ano finish, but you get the idea. Hey Joker Machine: anyone at your company a ChopCult member? If yes, please ask him to contact me. I'm a motivated buyer...

STILL MORE PARTS ON MY TO-BUY LIST:

• ALL internals for a set of 1989 FXST 41mm forks. I've got the tubes, the sliders and the top caps; I need everything else. I've found complete rebuild kits at several retailers for this project, but if someone has dusty crap they're looking to flip for cash and infamy, I'd prefer to do the deal right here. Harley dudes, start digging in your parts bins and let's turn your shit into my bread and butter!

That's all for now. Leoj and I are 2/3s of the way into a fixture that will make boring 39mm trees to 41mm a snap. I've taken photos of the build process, and will share those images and that how-to on this thread starting later today (Gotta find my camera cable or SD card thumb drive so I can download yesterday's photos.)

Thanks again to everyone for all the help. It's coming along nicely...

Ryno
11-04-2009, 11:02 AM
Photo 15-17:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo18.jpg">

Take your time and do it right and your legs will look like this

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo17.jpg">

and this

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/photo19.jpg">

And this.

Wow...I wish my wife's legs looked that good.

imtheslime
11-04-2009, 5:57 PM
Wow...I wish my wife's legs looked that good.

Hey if Rob can't help with that maybe I can, send her my way....












Don't clean the firearm just yet, I was kidding:)

Halwade
11-04-2009, 6:28 PM
11.4.09

SWEET HOOKUP ALERT!

Our man Mike D. in ChopCult central programming just got off the phone with his friends at Joker Machine (http://www.jokermachine.com/itemstreet2004.asp?ItemID=482&CategoryID=64&Placeholder=0).

Turns out they've been following the build, and they're willing to lend a hand…

hand controls, that is.

What's more, Joker Machine is just down the freeway from us, so going to their place for a CNC how-to and field trip is going to be easy.

Look for a story on Joker Machine's manufacuturing processes and technologies on this site in a couple weeks, and look for a set of these on the SpartanKiller work bench next week:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/612.jpg">

Thanks to this guy for pulling some strings…

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/0_7857_zoom.jpg">

and thanks to Adam at Joker Machine (http://www.jokermachine.com/onlinecatalogstreet2004.asp) for helping with the build.

Halwade
11-04-2009, 6:46 PM
COOL DONOR ALERT:

Blogger, bon vivant, fellow curmugeon and old friend Flatiron Mike (http://flatironmike.blogspot.com/) has volunteered to feed me 13 inches of cold, hard steel for the SpartanKiller.

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/axle.jpg">

Thanks for rear axle, my friend. This will come to good use when I pick up the wheels from the polisher early next week. I've waiting for the front axle, and when it arrives, this think will be able to stand on its own two feet. Photos pending…

BMG
11-04-2009, 7:17 PM
hey magoo, i have a oval oil tank off 'the wifes bike"
if you want it???it's your's. it's a little rusty but should clean up nicely!

<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q113/LCKYBMG11/hondatankI.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q113/LCKYBMG11/hondatankII.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Halwade
11-04-2009, 8:08 PM
Hey Brent, If that motherscratcher will fit over my electric starter, I'll take it. It's getting painted to match the tank and fender, so bad C/P is the least of my worries.

I'll P/U tomorrow at dinner, and I'll return it to you via UPS if it doesn't past fitment this weekend.

Thanks!

TheDemon
11-04-2009, 11:12 PM
Those Joker Machine pieces look awesome! I only wish they were slightly more affordable :[ The clutch side is $209!!

Halwade
11-04-2009, 11:30 PM
WHAT WE DID THIS WEEK:

"The Stance," and How I Figured it Out… Approximately:

Step One:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/HEADSET-CUPS.jpg">

Beat your mock-up cups into the frame. I slathered the flange of the cup with grease, and I don't use the final cups during mock-up and dry build. Reason: the good cups are polished stainless steel, and I only want to press them in once. These C/P steel cups are softer, go in easier and come out with less aggrevation.

After the cups are installed, I slide the fork steer tube into the headset cups and slide the top tree onto the neck. If my trees were bored for the 41mm legs I'd slide those into place, but they aren't, and the legs aren't assembled, either. I'm really just killing time here because all the stuff I need for the roller (wheels, fork guts, bored trees) are in process or in transit. I bothered with this exercise to figure out stuff like placement of foot controls, seat height, bar height and other variables.

Step 2:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/ROUGH-PROFILE.jpg">

Elevate your frame off the ground until the slot in the axle plates are roughly centered with the center of your rear tire. I'm a couple inches off, but again, I'm just killing time…

I threw the front tire into place and mounted the handlebars at this phase so I could get a sense of the stance and height.

I like it. It's short, compact, stocky-looking and super narrow.

Next project: boring the trees.

ChoppyGee
11-04-2009, 11:33 PM
wait wait wait...209 for one side?!?!? clean looking yes but i'd rather have wires and buttons everywhere and have change for other parts.

Halwade
11-04-2009, 11:34 PM
Today I ground off the stock axle adjusters on the dropouts.

The finished dropouts now look like this:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/CLEANED-UP-DROPOUTS.jpg">

I still have to drill and tap the hole for a 1/4-20 Allen cap screw that will mount directly in front of the axle slot, but I need to find my Pangea Speed Snail cam adjusters before I tear into this project.

Andy at Pangea Speed sent them to me weeks ago, but I seem to have misplaced them.

Anyone see a pair of these laying around?

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/463.jpg">

Hey Andy—can you send me another pair? I'll paypal you this evening. If and when I find the originals, I'll send them in for polishing and sponsor one of my friends. They won't go to waste!

Thanks.

Halwade
11-04-2009, 11:49 PM
ANOTHER GOOD IDEA GONE BAD…

So tonight I started working on the front end. This was my recipe for disaster:

• late model sporty trees, bored to 41mm to accept fork legs from an '89 FXST
• old style 9-spoke Sportster mag. These fit in Narrowglides with brakes, so why not a set of Narrowglide/Sportster trees with some 2mm larger legs?
• stock single-pot floating caliper off a Wideglide fork from the same era as the sliders

Well, I mocked up all the above this evening, and here's what I've got:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/TOO-WIDE-FRONT-END.jpg">

Detail of my blivet brakes (10 pounds of caliper in a five-pound space):

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/BRAKEFORK-LEG-CLOSEUP.jpg">

Fortunately, Jay Brake makes these:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/Picture1-7.png">

I learned about them on this thread in the ChopCult forum. (http://www.chopcult.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1414)

Here's how a set of these babies looks on a front wheel even narrower than mine:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/Picture1-8.png">

Halwade
11-04-2009, 11:55 PM
Here's how I hope to fix the problem:

1) fab an alloy bracket similar to above that will retrofit the Jay Brake 2-pot skinny back caliper on the brake tabs of my fork (see photo):

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/JAY-BRAKE-BRACKET.jpg">

2) Of course, this template is for concept purposes only. I will solicit the assistance of my friends Kim and Pat at BCM/Bench-Mark (http://chopcult.com/Boylecomm/classifieds/449/) to fab the actual piece. Before we can do that, I've got to screw up the cheddar for a $210 brake. Any ChopCultists got a line on this jewel?

Here's what my finished bracket will look similar to, except it will be silver alloy, not blue cardboard:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/JAY-BRAKE-BRACKET-2.jpg">

Scottienoooo
11-04-2009, 11:56 PM
so 1.39 MM you say? not inches?! hahahaha! when you headed back down to finish that up?

leoj
11-05-2009, 10:13 AM
I say that caliper is gonna end up too low for the rotor and I can't help but wonder if it also won't be too close to the hub... Maybe another slider with fender tabs and mount the caliper to it?

With just a little luck, we're hoggin out trees tonight!

logi
11-05-2009, 10:17 AM
At least you've got the stance nailed. That's looking good.

TheDemon
11-05-2009, 11:07 AM
wait wait wait...209 for one side?!?!? clean looking yes but i'd rather have wires and buttons everywhere and have change for other parts.


I don't think McGoo is paying full price for them, but just a guess :]

Boylecomm
11-05-2009, 11:45 AM
what size rotor?

Too bad the legs are shaved already you could've gone the same route as Mr. Hollinger.




I say that caliper is gonna end up too low for the rotor and I can't help but wonder if it also won't be too close to the hub... Maybe another slider with fender tabs and mount the caliper to it?

With just a little luck, we're hoggin out trees tonight!

pangeaspeed
11-07-2009, 10:52 AM
hey mcgoo! if you want i will build you a custom setup, you just have to send me the parts and i will donate the time and materials. ust thought i would put it out there.

Halwade
11-07-2009, 6:16 PM
11.7.09

BORING THE TREES:

So here's how Leoj, Scott and I attempted to bore the trees to accept my 41mm legs:

Step 1:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/STEP-1A-FINDING-CENTER.jpg">

After fiding parallel relative to the mill's chuck with a fancy analog guage, we used a spinny thing in the chuck to find dead center across the current bore's 39mm diameter axix. We tweaked and tightened the tree in the mill's deck vise appropriately, then installed the boring bar in the chuck to start doing the dirty work.

Step 2:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/STEP-1-BORING-BAR-SANS-JIG.jpg">

Here's Scott and Leoj operating the boring bar set-up we concocted for the process. after each complete vertical pass through the tree's bore, we clicked the boring bar outward another 1/2 click and did it again. We took measurements of our hole after every vertical pass to make sure we didn't over-bore the hole.

Step 3:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/STEP-3-BORING-SANS-JIG.jpg">

More boring boring work…

Step 4:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/BORING-BAR-DETAIL.jpg">

Here's a detail of the boring bar doing its thing inside the tree. We failed to clamp the pinch bolt in the tree tight enough during the boring process, and consequently our hole was wallowed out in an elliptical shape instead of the round circle we were gunning for. Reason: the tree chatters beneath the pressure of the boring bit more than we realized, and that .001 or so of flex during each pass was enough to make the hole cobby.


Solution:

Insert an alloy spacer between the gap in the clamp of the tree, and tighten the pinch bolt after each pass to make sure it's snug.

Another idea we had was to build a steel jig with removable 39mm and 41mm OD clamping dowels onto which the alloy tree can be fastened securely inside the mill…

more info and photos on this concept in a subsequent thread entry.

pangeaspeed
11-07-2009, 7:24 PM
what about using a rotatry table? just clamp the tree to the center of the rotary table. then run an endmill on the centerline. machine out your few mm's and then turn the roraty table and wham bam there you have a bored out tripple tree. or use a 4 jaw chuck in a lathe and use a boaring bar on the lathe to cut it out?

Halwade
11-07-2009, 9:03 PM
what about using a rotatry table? just clamp the tree to the center of the rotary table. then run an endmill on the centerline. machine out your few mm's and then turn the roraty table and wham bam there you have a bored out tripple tree. or use a 4 jaw chuck in a lathe and use a boaring bar on the lathe to cut it out?

Not being the machinist in this process, I can't answer your questions, Andy.

All I know is Leoj is finished with the jig that we believe will make doing this in fast, high production time a snap. Our goal wasn't to figure out how to do it; our goal was to figure out how to do it on 10 sets of trees in less than a couple hours. Reasong being: we want to offer the same mod to our friends if/when they want it w/o set-up headaches every time.

Tooling and jigs seem like the only way to achieve this goal.

I'll have photos of the jig building and jig boring process in a couple days...

BigMikeOlley
11-07-2009, 9:13 PM
Sign me up, I've got a set waiting to be done. Just no tools to do them. but cash in hand

pangeaspeed
11-08-2009, 1:28 PM
yeah that will be way cool when you have your jig all dialed in. i was just sugesting those other options because once you got them dialed in they would be really acurate and repeteable. i just never get verey good results from boaring bars for some reason. but either way looks like you guys nailed it!! that will be rad for people to have a way to get these done now.

Halwade
11-08-2009, 10:02 PM
11.8.09

BUILDING THE BORING JIG FOR SPORTY TREES:

So after some fumbling and much brainstorming, here's what Leoj and I came up with for our boring fixture:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/BORING-JIG-BLUEPRINT.jpg">

This rough drawing shows the basics of our idea:

2 interchangeable dowels (1 39mm OD, 1 41mm OD) on a solid steel base

Said base will be threaded so the dowels can be removed quickly w/o taking the base out of the mill vise using the thumb screw (or its equivalent) from the top

The process would start by mounting the 39mm bore on one side of the tree to the 39mm dowel on the fixture.

After boring the 41mm hole on the opposite side of the tree, we'd remove the tree, switch the fixture dowel to the 41mm side and flip the tree around to bore the other side.

Easy Peasy.

Here's where we're at so far…

Step 1:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/MKLLING-THE-PLATE-2.jpg">

Mill the face of our base plate so it's flat as a pancake

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/MILLING-THE-PLATE.jpg">

Here's Leoj doing the dirty work on San Diego City College's trusty mill

Step 2:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/THE-MILLED-JIG-BASE.jpg">

Countersink the base plate after planing to accept the locator flange on the dowels. You'll measure this hole later to determine the OD of the locator flange on the dowel.

Halwade
11-08-2009, 10:02 PM
Step 3:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/TURNING-THE-DOWELS-1.jpg">

Chuck up some cold rolled steel with an OD at least 42mm and turn down a 4" section to 41mm

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/SQUARING-THE-BASE.jpg">

Here's Leoj facing the base of the 41mm OD dowel before adding the locator flange

Step 4:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/dowel-and-base-plate.jpg">

Check the fit of your dowel's locator flange against the hole on your base plate. Once your first dowel is perfect, repeat the process for your 39mm dowel.

Leoj picked up this project w/o me last Thursday because I skipped town to go to the SEMA show in Las Vegas.

here's what Leoj accomplished in my absence:

1) bored the thumbscrew hole into the center of each dowel

2) drilled and threaded the base plate to accept the thumbscrew

When last we spoke, Leoj told me he finished the boring fixture, and that he was going to test it on his set of guinea pig trees. If he takes photos of the process, I'll show them here.

If he doesn't, we'll show pictures of the finished product on my final set of top and bottom trees next week.

Tomorrow I'm taking the polished motor parts to Kutty for final engine assembly, and I'll have the wheels in hand for assembling the roller.

Next week's a short week, but I plan to get a lot done. Stay tuned, friends…

leoj
11-09-2009, 10:00 AM
Promise to shoot pics tonight.... Top tree came out ok. Have a much shorter boring bar to use on the lowers, should lose most of the chatter in the boring process and give a better finish.

LilGeneral
11-09-2009, 6:50 PM
What do you think of pressing the stem out, to use that hole to also locate and lock you piece in place when you flip to do the other side? I don't know about the thumb screw idea, can you torq it enough so it won't chatter itself loose. Did you put a spacer in the gap on the trees to prevent flex? Also why not a fly cutter instead of the end mill to surface that plate...must of taken forever. I'm not trying to knock your work to each his own, but I just can't figure out your jig would help with quick set up with only a single fixed point. Also a CO-AX INDICATOR would help find center faster.

Halwade
11-09-2009, 7:54 PM
I have no idea what you just said...

neither of us is a machinist; we're just groping for a system within the constraints of our own meager skills, and the free shit at our disposal. I'm sure there's a 16-gauge fractotoidal ledgerstat manifesto bar with a calibrated gavointon rod that can do the job better, but I stubbed my toe on the pinion shaft and now all I can do is type!

Joel, if any of LilGeneral's tips mean anything to you, by all means knock yourself out!

Thanks for the help, gentlemen!

McGoo

LilGeneral
11-09-2009, 8:23 PM
"I have no idea what you just said..."


Thats why I don't like computers. Hard to keep my ideas/ comments on track. If you need any help just ask, kinda do this/that for a living.

Halwade
11-09-2009, 9:02 PM
"I have no idea what you just said..."


Thats why I don't like computers. Hard to keep my ideas/ comments on track. If you need any help just ask, kinda do this/that for a living.

Hey LilGeneral,

Thanks for the offer, and for the help.

Joel is plugging away on these babies, and I suspect he'll nail it.

We're amateurs, but we have high hopes of figuring out a system that will let us do these for other people.

It's a mod a lot of people are into, but one that creates headaches for noobs like me/us.

I'll keep you posted, and you may hear from Joel via PM...

hwm

Halwade
11-09-2009, 10:29 PM
11.9.09

PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE…

I do this all the time.

The bike's not even a roller yet and I'm already picking out colors.

At the House of Kolor booth at SEMA last week I picked out these:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/color-chips.jpg">

Pagan Gold, Black Diamond (silver to you and me) and Organic Green

Three elegant light flake colors that look great together.

Blue Moon Customs (http://bluemoonkustoms.blogspot.com/) is spraying this project, and I've got no predispositions regarding style, save for these:

• I like symetrical paint schemes

• The frame will be powdercoated black

• all the alloy bits will be polished

• all the steel bits will be chrome

• There's only a headlight bucket, a gas tank and an oil bag... unless BMC advises against it, I'm thinking about polishing the aluminum rear fender and the eyebrow over the headlight

Why green and gold?

Wasn't it Bishop Don "the Magic" Juan who said, "Green's for the money and gold's for the honeys…"

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/vegas-sun-lights-don-juan-revised-w.jpg">


If it's good enough for Snoop Dogg's favorite pimp, it's good enough for me.

Hey Blue Moon, I'm working on sweet hookups for the paint. If that doesn't happen, I'll buy what you need/prefer... just tell me how many pints/quarts/gallons of paint you need and we'll roll...

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/color-chip-names.jpg">

mcdowell72
11-10-2009, 6:30 AM
colors look sick. can't wait to see what blue moon comes up with.

leoj
11-10-2009, 12:50 PM
In answer to LilGeneral.... Had a carbide 3/4" end mill inhand but not a fly cutter.
Timewise it didn't take more than 15 minutes or so to face both sides. Regarding the idea of pressing out the stem - Not sure that it would be a time saver and I prefer not to dink around with stems anymore than necessary... I will probably drill and tap a second hole and permanently mount both the 39 & 41 mm spools to the fixture plate next week in order to reduce setup time. I shimmed the hole that I was boring to eliminate flex. See attached pic.

The locator spools worked well, but the pinch bolt was sufficient to hold the tree to the spools until I had my cutting tip vibrate loose, then I got some chatter. Keeping the cut small gave me a decent finish. I plan to drill and tap a couple more holes in the fixture plate to accomodate facilitate additional clamping.

leoj
11-10-2009, 12:52 PM
This pic shows the locator spool in place. Made for fast centering of the tree hole to be bored. Excuse the shitty focus.

leoj
11-10-2009, 12:58 PM
I'd show the finished trees, but they just look like a set of trees. Took longer than I expected but a fun project for a hack machinist such as myself. Will do a follow up shot tomorrow after I've modified the fixture plate.

Boylecomm
11-10-2009, 3:13 PM
Now your set up to do them all the time, right?



I'd show the finished trees, but they just look like a set of trees. Took longer than I expected but a fun project for a hack machinist such as myself. Will do a follow up shot tomorrow after I've modified the fixture plate.

Halwade
11-10-2009, 3:22 PM
Wow Joel... you went nuts!

Thanks a million for hitting this project with such vigor.

I can't wait to see your finished set-up.

FYI, I rec'd my next set of donor trees for this project.

Let me know what day next week is a good one for visiting the campus and I'll meet you down there for another night of chopping and bobbing.

Thanks again!

McG

leoj
11-10-2009, 4:22 PM
Yeah, I can repeat the process. McGoo's are next since he started me down this road, but anytime you wanna trash a set of trees, let me know.

Halwade
11-10-2009, 10:46 PM
11.11.09

THANK YOU, VETERANS

We're not closed tomorrow, but the banks and post office will be, so I might knock off early to work on the SpartanKiller. Plenty of stuff to do this week, as the following stuff either arrived via USPS or I picked it up at the various vendors:

Geronimo finished polishing the wheels. When TMS Bob mounts the tires, I'll shoot photos.

Delivered the polished motor pieces to Kutty's Hippy Killer Garage this morning for final assembly. Kutty peeked beneath the celophane wrapper on my motor parts and was blow away by the fantastic job Geronimo did on the old Evo.

These guys

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/Picture1-9.png">

delivered the hand controls they promised. In exchange for their unprecedented generosity, I've agreed to do a tech feature on the Joker Machine CNC shop in a future ChopCult feature. They do EVERYTHING in house, so my planned video feature should be very informative. Thanks Joker Machine! (http://jokermachine.com/)

(photos of the actual pieces pending. Billdozer has the camera, and I want to shoot 'em with the good kit to do justice to their tastiness.)

FIM Motorworks donated a sexy axle for the rear wheel, but I need to machine it down 1.5" and add some threads. Probably gonna give this a shot at Duane's house tomorrow night. He seems pretty handy with the belt sander and die set. I've got a die that'll work, but it's a janky Harbor Freight unit, and I don't want my polished Sporty mag skipping down the highway.

Hey Brock, (http://www.crownmotorz.com/index.php) your CrownMotorz SS tranny plates are perfect. Thanks a million!

That's all for tonight. There will be plenty of shiny bits to look at tomorrow, and once the fork components arrive I should have a respectable roller to stare at and sit upon.

Thanks to everyone who's gotten me so far so fast...

leoj
11-11-2009, 7:09 PM
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i217/ratbobber/P1020753.jpg

They fit...

Halwade
11-11-2009, 11:57 PM
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i217/ratbobber/P1020753.jpg

They fit...


Joel, YOu have NO idea how excited this makes me. I'm giddy as a school girl. Thanks a MILLION for all the shop time on the jig for our wild hair. I knew you could do it. Thanks again for all your help. They are gonna look sexy with some Geronimo boogie polish on 'em!

See you Friday...

Halwade
11-12-2009, 7:34 PM
11.12.09

PRE-PARTY ROLLER DERBY:

With the Biltwell Slab City Riot less than 48 hours away. I've been a little preoccupied with party plannning this week. Fortunately, a bunch of stuff on this project was in other people's hands.

Today Bob at Temecula Motorcycle Service finished mounting my tires:

Here's the front 3.25-19 Firestone…

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/FRONT-WHEEL.jpg">

And here's the 4.00 19 rear…

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/REAR-WHEEL-2.jpg">

As you can see, Geronimo outdid himself on the polishing of my ancient Sportster mags. I asked the man to make them shiny, and he went crazy on the rough cast areas to achieve the finish you see here.

In a word: I am psyched. They turned out exactly as I had invisioned: blingy without being chrome-y (is that a word?)

Here's how those wheels and tires finish out the stance of my almost roller:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/PROFILE-4.jpg">

And another, slightly higher view:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/PROFILE-2.jpg">

I think it's perfect, and Billdozer and Mike D agree.

Halwade
11-12-2009, 7:38 PM
Billdozer was worried the 4.00-19 wouldn't fill out the rear end on my Spartan frame as well as it should, but he agreed the width looks perfect in the context of everything else around it.

Here's a second view of the rear wheel assembled into the frame:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/REAR-WHEEL.jpg">

I'm afraid the Pro One 7/8" sprocket spacer behind my Flyrite sprotor is still about 3/8" too narrow, but I wont know for sure until I've installed a bearing seal and countershaft sprocket on the transmission…

He Cultists, anyone have an unused tranny seal, sprocket (zero offset) and associated washers, clips and hardware laying around they want to sell me?

Here's a closer view of the sprotor set-up on that mirror-polished front mag on the rear:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/REAR-SPROCKET.jpg">

I'll use polished SS recessed Allen Cap screws on the finished assembly. These are just for mock-up.

RockinRyan
11-12-2009, 7:39 PM
I'm loving that stance!

Halwade
11-12-2009, 7:43 PM
I'm still giddy about these jewels:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/BRAKE-LEVER-5.jpg">

Front master cylinder

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/CLUTCH-2.jpg">

Clutch lever

Joker Machine pulled my levers off their assembly line right before chroming so I could have my preferred polished alloy finish. Polished alloy isn't a standard finish in JM's repertoire, so I'm psyched the accommodated my finnicky request.

These controls feature Joker's smooth shorty levers, and they feel great.

The master cylinder is a 9/16" unit, and there's a sealed bearing on the lever that actuates the piston on the master cylinder for enhanced smoothness..

Here's a view of that MC from the front:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/BRAKE-LEVER-4.jpg">

dope shit.

Thanks again, Joker.

Boylecomm
11-12-2009, 7:51 PM
Man I've got to start farming shit out more, things move a lot quicker.

It all looks great McGoo.

logi
11-12-2009, 11:30 PM
Lucky Bastage. I want those ... and they should start thinking about offering a polished version ... at a discount!

24Cycles
11-13-2009, 1:46 AM
Im glad you got the levers on time and they look awsome on that sexy scooter!

Halwade
11-13-2009, 7:53 AM
Im glad you got the levers on time and they look awsome on that sexy scooter!

Hey brother, are you the same Adam who helped Mike D with the sweet hookup from JM? If yes PM me so we can discuss a meeting time for interview and photo session directly. I want to come down to JM and do a story on you guys. Thanks...

Flatironmike
11-13-2009, 7:53 AM
gettin' there and lookin' sharp

my .02 - cut down that rear fender to at least 90 deg. perp to the ground - or even shorter, the better. are you fabbing fender struts to bolt to the axle plates or going commando? hmmm? home depot 1/2" dia aluminium tubing works great - on theMule and Kinger....

Halwade
11-13-2009, 8:20 AM
gettin' there and lookin' sharp

my .02 - cut down that rear fender to at least 90 deg. perp to the ground - or even shorter, the better. are you fabbing fender struts to bolt to the axle plates or going commando? hmmm? home depot 1/2" dia aluminium tubing works great - on theMule and Kinger....

Good eye, MIke...

Actually, I'd planned to cut the fender at the cross member between the seat stays (that's bicycle talk for the parallel tubes that run south from beneath the seat to the top of the rear axle plates (dropouts), and to leave the end of the fender about 12:15 on the clock--just past vertical relative to the axle.

I'm thinking shorty sissy bar (no more than 10" above the top of the fender) that doubles as a taillight bracket and fender struts, and this piece will be made of steel b/c that's the kind of recessed allen cap bungs I've got laying around.

The snail cam axle adjusters are forcing me to mount my sissy bar/fender strut ends on the inside of the axle plates, so that said snails can move through their arc on the dropout to move the wheel fore/aft. Sounds janky, I know, but I've eyeballed it and there's plenty of clearance, and I think the hidden look will be clean.

I would love to use aluminum tubing for as much stuff as possible, but If I want this fender to support the kind of shorties I'm able to attract these days, it needs to hold 175 pounds minimum...

24Cycles
11-13-2009, 11:53 AM
Hey brother, are you the same Adam who helped Mike D with the sweet hookup from JM? If yes PM me so we can discuss a meeting time for interview and photo session directly. I want to come down to JM and do a story on you guys. Thanks...

pm sent

Rile
11-13-2009, 11:54 AM
I would love to use aluminum tubing for as much stuff as possible, but If I want this fender to support the kind of shorties I'm able to attract these days, it needs to hold 175 pounds minimum...

...Spit take.

eli777
11-13-2009, 12:58 PM
Love what you guys are doing with this site. Took a long time for me to actually sign up and say something. Looking forward to seeing what this build looks like. The Spartan frame looks real nice. What are your plans regarding the oil bag?

billdozer
11-13-2009, 1:18 PM
Hal got the wheels and tires back from polishing and mounting and whoa, it looks rad. Starting to look like a motorcycle now. I know he's busting ass getting ready for the Riot today but maybe he'll get a chance to snap a pic and share.

Halwade
11-14-2009, 7:51 AM
Love what you guys are doing with this site. Took a long time for me to actually sign up and say something. Looking forward to seeing what this build looks like. The Spartan frame looks real nice. What are your plans regarding the oil bag?

I just met with Courtney Halowell on the subject of the oil bag. He's the hot rod magazine editor/show truck builder who helped my friend Duane Ballard with the fuel cell on his Pink Taco CB750 choppper. I helped DB with the monocoque oil bag on said machine, so I'm feeling froggy when it comes to sheetmetal work.

Courtney and Duane and I are gonna visit a steel fab shop in Corona, CA, and make an oil bag/battery can that conforms to the lines of the frame beneath the seat. We think we can do it, and when we do, the finished product will hub the seat tube and seat stays and slip around the electric starter, dodging the drive chain in the process. I can picture it in my mind, and in about a week I'll have it fleshed out in manilla folders and packing tape. You'll see it here...

pangeaspeed
11-15-2009, 3:48 PM
mcgoo, i am glad to hear that your going for a custom oil tank! that thing is gonna be sick. i think that the inside mounted sissy will look rad (i am not just saying that because i made the snail cams haha) i think it will look really sleek and it will narrow it up for the skinny rear tire. two thumbs up dud!

billybiltit
11-16-2009, 8:53 AM
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gimme a H
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gimme a P
gimme a C
gimme a U
gimme a L
gimme a T
waddya got CHOPCULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
and it fukin rocks!!!!!!!!
i just wanted to stop in and lend some positive vibe,cause it looks like you have my skillset covered.i figured i might be able to do some cheerleading or maybe i could build you a spacer or threaded bung(alum?)or some such,i gotta lathe and mill and the tooling and skill to fuk some shit up.would love to help,lemme know.
luv what your doin here.keep up the good!

leon holmes

Halwade
11-16-2009, 10:29 AM
figured maybe i could build you a spacer or threaded bung (alum?)or some such,i gotta lathe and mill and the tooling and skill to fuk some shit up.would love to help,lemme know.

leon holmes



Leon my friend, I would love to contract your services on some axle spacers. I've got my heart seat on polishes Stainless Steel, however--can you work with this material?

When I shorten my axle and widen my sprocket spacer for the rear wheel I will be able to take measurements for the individual pieces.

If you can't work with SS, is there anyone on the CC who can?

Leoj and I worked with SS two weeks ago and it was a ballbuster, so I don't want to put anyone out.

If you guys think aluminum is acceptable for axle spacers, I'll trust your judgment and will move forward with Leon's offer.

The reason I don't want steel is simple: I don't want to chrome plate them after polishing; i just want them to look good right off the polishing wheel.

SS and alloy can be counted on for this... steel can't

Thanks Leon. I look forward to hearing from you.

irishrich317
11-16-2009, 12:40 PM
I can't tell from the photos, but are your wheel bearings sealed or tapered bearings?

In your diagram, you have the spacers labeled to contact the inner wheel bearing races. If that's the case, and they are tapered bearings, you'll have to make your wall thickness 3/16". Your spacers will have to be 1 1/8" OD to fit thru your wheel bearing seals. 1 1/4" OD would be OK for sealed bearings, but not tapered bearings. 1 1/4" OD spacers won't fit thru your wheel bearing seals without stretching or tearing the inner lips of the seals.

Also, you'll have to set your wheel bearing end play with your inner spacer on the tapered wheel bearings before you can determine the length of your axle spacers. Otherwise, you'll end up with the axle spacers that are either too long, or too short.


Leon my friend, I would love to contract your services on some axle spacers. I've got my heart seat on polishes Stainless Steel, however--can you work with this material?

When I shorten my axle and widen my sprocket spacer for the rear wheel I will be able to take measurements for the individual pieces.

If you can't work with SS, is there anyone on the CC who can?

Leoj and I worked with SS two weeks ago and it was a ballbuster, so I don't want to put anyone out.

If you guys think aluminum is acceptable for axle spacers, I'll trust your judgment and will move forward with Leon's offer.

The reason I don't want steel is simple: I don't want to chrome plate them after polishing; i just want them to look good right off the polishing wheel.

SS and alloy can be counted on for this... steel can't

Thanks Leon. I look forward to hearing from you.

Halwade
11-16-2009, 1:24 PM
I can't tell from the photos, but are your wheel bearings sealed or tapered bearings?

In your diagram, you have the spacers labeled to contact the inner wheel bearing races. If that's the case, and they are tapered bearings, you'll have to make your wall thickness 3/16". Your spacers will have to be 1 1/8" OD to fit thru your wheel bearing seals. 1 1/4" OD would be OK for sealed bearings, but not tapered bearings. 1 1/4" OD spacers won't fit thru your wheel bearing seals without stretching or tearing the inner lips of the seals.

Also, you'll have to set your wheel bearing end play with your inner spacer on the tapered wheel bearings before you can determine the length of your axle spacers. Otherwise, you'll end up with the axle spacers that are either too long, or too short.


Hey Rich,

Awesome tech info again, my friend.

To answer your questions:

1) yes, bearings are tapered, not sealed (old Sporty mags)

2) end play has been set and internal hub bearing spacers are properly installed, as our external seals. My old friend Bob at Temecula Motorcycle Service performed this surgery. I knew I was over my head with the Timkens, because all other wheels I've done were sealed bearing type.

2) Re: wall thickness of spacers for tapered bearings; I'll make the tech spec change to my drawing and repost it on this thread. 3/16" wall spacers w/ 3/4" bore for axle. What tolerance play between 3/4" OD axle and the ID of the spacer to you recommend?

I'll change my rough specs on the drawing after you respond. Thanks!

McGoo

irishrich317
11-16-2009, 1:59 PM
3) Re: wall thickness of spacers for tapered bearings; I'll make the tech spec change to my drawing and repost it on this thread. 3/16" wall spacers w/ 3/4" bore for axle. What tolerance play between 3/4" OD axle and the ID of the spacer to you recommend?



Harley usually holds .753, that should be just fine on the inner bore of your spacers. Any tighter, and you'll have to bang the axle out of there from water, rust, and grease when you put it on the street, even with a coat of anit-seize (which you should use, and re-apply every time you pull your axle).

Some aftermarket spacers like the one's in the Doherty kits and the like are around .760, and they work OK.

And your other question, yeah, any aluminum 6061 - 7075 T6 will work fine for axle spacers. At 50-60 lb/ft axle nut torque, they hold up, no worries. I'd worry more about getting a flat tire.

billybiltit
11-16-2009, 3:58 PM
awesome i get ta help.
i don't have a problem with stainless,but i do have some nice aluminum on hand.all i need are the dimensions (i.d.-o.d.-length)and i can spin em off and get em sent out to ya.happy to help,

leon holmes

Halwade
11-16-2009, 5:43 PM
Hey Leon,

If you've followed my exchange with Irish Rich, you've seen that aluminum is indeed acceptable according to a friend I trust. I trust you, too, so feel free to spin these babies with any 6061 or 7075 you've got on hand.

Regarding dimensions and specs, please see the revised blueprint attached:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/AXLE-SPACERSv2.jpg">

I'll calculate the width for all spacers as soon as my axle is cut down and my sprotor spacer is widened... look for a final version of this blueprint early next week.

If you want to get started by boring approximately 12 inches of 1.63" OD rod to the .755" ID spec shown, please be my guest.

I'll get the final measurements asap.

Thanks again for all your help!

McGoo

LilGeneral
11-16-2009, 6:47 PM
If homeboy can't, I can out of stainless.

billybiltit
11-16-2009, 9:38 PM
no sweat on the spacers.those will add to the skinny look nicely.

leon holmes

Halwade
11-17-2009, 10:29 PM
11.17.09

FORK ASSEMBLY

Rec'd my fork internals from V-Twin Tedd today, will assemble the fork legs and install the bored Sporty dry build trees tomorrow.

Once the front end's buttoned down I'll move to the tranny and rear wheel.

I need to install the trans seal, countershaft sprocket and associated washers and locking mechanisms so I can check the chain alignment. All this has to happen before I can take measurements for the axle spacers that Leon Holmes has so generously volunteered to spin for me on his lathe.

More news tomorrow…

In the mean time, please enjoy this Harley-Davidson service video (tats and rubber gloves not included):

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imtheslime
11-17-2009, 11:03 PM
Damn McGoo not wasting any time, I'm a little jealous but looking forward to the completion. You should be shaken down by like Dec. or Jan.?? watching that video makes me miss my evo. I was hoping to see a trick to install that bastard of a dry fit gasket inside the derby cover, many a curse word spent on that and those damn torx.

billybiltit
11-19-2009, 10:52 AM
i just took delivery of some cro-mo, and a 2' x 1.75" piece of 6061-t6 that i believe mcgoos spacers are hiding inside of >: -} .i sure do like "not" being the holdup,hehe.

leon holmes
p.s.if anyone needs some material(cro-mo,stainless,alu,ti,brass etc.)
http://shapirosupply.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
these folks are in st.louis and have no minimums,the have always done me right.

Halwade
11-21-2009, 7:46 PM
11.21.09

SHORTENING THE FORKS:

Remember the 39mm late-model Sportster trees Joel bored for the SpartanKiller? Today I installed them dry so I could assemble the forks and assess the ride height, wheel location relative to the fork legs, and begin cogitation on my front brake situation.

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/BORED-TREES-SPECIAL-79-FORK-CAPS.jpg">

Here's a look at the bored trees and BigMikeOlley's sexy allen screw fork caps for my 41mm legs. These caps will get the scotchbrite and mirror polish treatment before chroming, and when that's done they'll look like little jewels. Thanks again, Mike!

I bought the 99-dollar fork guts kit from V-Twin last week, and it made life a lot easier. All the parts you need to assemble a set of sliders and stanchion are here, but I used only what was necessary to assemble the forks dry to assess my ride height.

Here's the assembled front end…

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/ASSEMBLED-FORKS.jpg">

And here's a wide-angle shot of the bike sitting level on my work stand…

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/THE-PROFILE.jpg">

What this photo doesn't make clear is the fact that the forks are nearly 4" too long. I determined this by measuring from the bottom of the front and rear tires to the ground, gleaning the aforementioned 4" disparity.

To determine the exact measurement for cutting my fork springs, I subtracted the measurement of the rear wheel from that of the front, and I got this…

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/CUT-THE-SPRINGS.jpg">

After disassembling the forks and removing both springs, I used the micrometer to mark the spring for cutting. Easy peasy. As soon as I grab a chunk of 1" ID PVC from Home Depot, I'll cut the requisite spring spacer and reassemble my forks. I won't bother with seals and oil until after I've taken the sliders and the trees to the polisher. When you're banging around with axles and spacers, it's better to leave your parts unfinished and crusty. There will be plenty of time for post dry build cosmetics.

Halwade
11-21-2009, 7:55 PM
DISHING THE FRONT WHEEL:

This photo doesn't make it clear, but the combination of my old-school sportster mag, middle-school FXST 41mm legs and new-school bored 39mm Sporty trees has positioned my front wheel about 4mm off center relative to the center of the steer tube…

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/DISHING-A-MAG.jpg">

Unfortunately, there's not much breathing room between the rotor and its hardware and the fork slider's brake tabs and lower bulges…

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/NOT-MUCH-ROOM.jpg">

Solution: move the wheel 2mm to rider's left. It's not perfect, but it's the best I can do with the space I've got. To accomplish this, I've simply got to trim 2mm off the brake side axle spacer and add 2mm to the opposite side spacer. Again, a piece of cake, thanks to the generosity of Leon Holmes here on ChopCult. To double check all this hocus pocus I installed the front wheel with the stock spacers and axle that my good friend Flatiron Mike contributed to the project. Here's the complimentary t-shirt Mike used as packing material for my super dope stainless steel axle:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/PERM-IS-GOING-SOON.jpg">

Thanks for the kit, Mike!

With the axle and associated spacers installed, here's how the axle was looking on the non-brake side…

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/AXLE-IS-TOO-LONG.jpg">

It was sticking out too far IMO, and a quick glance at the nutted side confirmed my observation…

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/AXLE-NUT.jpg">

I would like to see about 3 threads minimum extending beyond the end of the axle nut, but to accomplish this I would need to make the axle move 5mm to rider's left…

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/TURN-THE-AXLE.jpg">

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/TURN-THE-AXLE-2.jpg">

Solution: chuck the SS axle in the lathe and turn it back 5mm in each of the three locations marked in the photos. Joel, are you game?

Halwade
11-21-2009, 8:06 PM
INSTALLING THE FRONT BRAKES:

After solicitations to buy a front brake from someone on ChopCult gleaned no results, I reluctantly resorted to eBay for the brake you see here…

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/FRONT-BRAKES.jpg">

It's a take-off from a YZ250 dirt bike, and it came with a rear master cylinder. Total price: $34 delivered. YOu can't beat that with a rubber dick.

Obvious problem: it doesn't bolt up to the brake brackets on the forks…

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/NISSAN-MOKTO-REAR-BRAKES.jpg">

It will, however, match up nicely if I make a steel bracket that looks something like this (see black line on photo below):

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/THE-BRAKE-PLATE.jpg">

But here's the rub: we've already determined there's no space between the back of the fork tabs and the surface of the brake rotor for any mounting hardware.

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/COUNTERSUNK-ALLON.jpg">

Solution: Countersink the brackets on the fork sliders to accept a recessed Allen cap screw that will pass outward through the fork and into a hole on the stainless steel brake-mounting plate I hope to fab from a 1/4" thick section of stainless steel plate I have laying around. This piece will polish nicely, and because it's steel and because it will direct the energy of the brakes into the grade-8 hardware and through the length of the fork slider, I think it will be perfect.

Fab Kevin has done dozens of set-ups like this, so I'm breaking no new ground.

Here's a photo with some notes that explain what I've got up my sleeve for this Rube Goldburg invention…

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/COUNTERSINK-THE-BRAKE-BOLTS.jpg">

Tomorrow I'll reassemble the forks with the PVC spacer and set the bike on the ground to see if my method and calculations are correct. I've done this with two sets of Sporty forks and the FXST forks on my second bike four years ago, so I don't anticipate any surprises. If somebody can share tips for building the brake bracket on this thread, I'm all ears.

Thanks again to Rudehog, BigMikeOlley and FIM for the forks, axles, mods and motivation.

pangeaspeed
11-21-2009, 8:12 PM
damn harold this bike is lookin sick, i really really dig the stance. and the width or lack there of on the forks.

Halwade
11-21-2009, 11:42 PM
DONOR UPDATE (CORRECTION):

It was BigMikeOlley, not Special79, who made the allen bolt fork caps. My apologies to Mike for the error. I've made this correction in the text of my original update on 11.21.09.

Thanks!

Flatironmike
11-22-2009, 6:53 AM
fantastic write-up, Betty (Crocker). good to see this coming together.

my .02 on the front brake mounting bracket. would you consider tapping the fork leg caliper mount holes and use an oversize button head bolt (or the like) to fasten the newly fabbed brake caliper bracket to the leg? would eliminate any bolthead/nut space issue between the disc and the leg. just thinking out loud...

also, on the fork length, note that the front end will drop some with the weight of the motor and bits on the bike. also, just sayin'

best,

MC

Nicko
11-22-2009, 7:29 AM
You could always recess/ countersink the rotor torx bolts to gain yourself a hair more breathing room on the brake side. Might help when you start shimming the caliper and help with your alignment. All the same, looking good.

Halwade
11-22-2009, 9:11 AM
would you consider tapping the fork leg caliper mount holes and use an oversize button head bolt (or the like) to fasten the newly fabbed brake caliper bracket to the leg? would eliminate any bolthead/nut space issue between the disc and the leg. just thinking out loud


Yes MIke, I considered exactly that in my initial brainstorm, but there' a pesky steel hat-shaped insert on the lower brake tab that forbids me from doing this on said mounting ear.

I can, however, recess a sunken Allen cap bolt into the alloy ear on the back side of the leg because the steel insert doesn't go all the way through the hole--only into the first 4mm.

Good looking out for the fork shrinkage after motor install. It completely slipped my mind, and now I've already cut 3.875" off one spring. Damn! Gonna complete the mission as specified and throw the motor in it mid December. If my machine squats too much, I'll scrounge up some free springs at Bob's shop (he's got a millon of 'em) and start over. I'm not going to add oil or seals or complexity to this process until the stance is nailed and the legs and trees are polished.

ttys,

hwm

Flatironmike
11-22-2009, 11:38 AM
gotcha on the lil' steel hat thingy. one last last idear on this, promise. here's a 'sleeve' type nut in ss that i've used and you can pick up in various sizes at the local hware store. slip it in on the disc side and use the button head bolt. you're in shear mode, so no need to have a bulky nut n bolt setup. hope this helps.

glad i tipped you on the motor/bits stuff

keep on keepin'

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2653/4125418330_e9c4292ce9_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2637/4125418274_a36243a305_b.jpg

Halwade
11-22-2009, 1:34 PM
Sold!

That is a handy gizmo, and I have seen them at good old Hank's Hardware.

Consider it done.

Thanks Mike!

wickedblockhead
11-23-2009, 12:32 PM
I gotta say this shit is BOSS! Dudes helpin other dudes build real bikes. Not some f'in posers runnin around askin for doodads. A TRUE Brotherhood.

Halwade
11-24-2009, 2:02 AM
11/23/09

FORKS FINISHED, MOVING TO THE BACK WHEEL

I'm 3/5ths of the way to knowing all my axle spacer measurements:

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/112309-axl-spacers.jpg">

I can't do the last two until the transmission is installed. Reason: I think my rear sprotor spacer is 3/8" too narrow for proper alignment of the final drive. Bob at TMS is installing the trans seal, 30-tooth countershaft sprocket and associated hardware this week, and when he's finished I'll throw the tranny on the transmission plate and commence to steppin' on the rear end. With the trans and sprotor properly aligned, measuring for the last two axle spacers on the drive side will be easy.

Tonight I shortened the other fork leg by cutting the spring, and I threw both dry legs on the dry build trees and mounted the front wheel so I could begin mocking up the brake plate discussed earlier. I've concocted an idea for using angle iron to create a fab replica of my brake plate, and I plan to document this contraption tomorrow. If it works as planned, I'll be able to take off this cockamammy gizmo, trace around its critical mounting holes, make a template with a manilla folder, and start hacking away on the SS plate to make my final 1/4" thick brake plate. Liberal application of grind disk, flap disk, scotchbrite wheel and elbow grease should yield a stainless steel brake plate suitable for speed holes and polishing.

Leon Holmes, if you want to start on the axle spacers in chromoly for the sizes listed on this blueprint, please be my guest. I will try to have the last two measurements for you this week.

Halwade
11-26-2009, 1:42 PM
THANKSGIVING PROGRESS REPORT:

1) Forks are shortened

2) Stainless steel T-nuts and SS button cap allen bolts for front brake bracket acquired

3) Transmission at Temecula Motorcycle Service getting the main shaft seal installed

4) Hippy Killer Garage is making sure the polished Evo motor is wrapped up and buttoned down next week.

5) Front axle is getting turned down 5mm in three locations per photo next week.

I'm leaving for a business trip tomorrow night, so this project will be on hold until December 11. With any luck at all the primary, the axle, the tranny and the motor will be delivered or ready for p/u at that time,

If this is so, I can make some real progress before Christmas.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone, and thanks to everyone for all their help.

See you in two weeks...

KingPynn
11-26-2009, 7:54 PM
hal this this is gonna skoot when shes done. nice.

billybiltit
11-30-2009, 9:31 AM
this shady dude out in north tulsa county got some aluminum turned into some axle spacers over the holiday weekend.i almost got a picture of him but he sidestepped the camera at the last minute,you can see the lathe runnin tho,:-).
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_sAOOOObxJyg/SxF8OISy6uI/AAAAAAAAAYg/I2ZFzsSRd9s/s288/spartankillerspacers2%20%2813%29.JPG

billybiltit
11-30-2009, 1:41 PM
this is the alu.piece that mcgoos spacers were hiding in.
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_sAOOOObxJyg/SxPZz2YZmpI/AAAAAAAAAZA/yQPVBLUhWnA/s400/spartankillerspacers%20%282%29.JPG

billybiltit
11-30-2009, 1:48 PM
spun out the little spacer first.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_sAOOOObxJyg/Sw313CRtdQI/AAAAAAAAAYQ/kwk-olWGj1o/s400/spartankillerspacers.JPG
had to build me a lil collet to use for de-burring and chamfering,it worked out nice.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_sAOOOObxJyg/SxPZ0fKd2TI/AAAAAAAAAZI/OlLCkbacFjY/s400/spartankillerspacers%20%285%29.JPG
in use
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_sAOOOObxJyg/SxPZzvfBmQI/AAAAAAAAAY8/cgW3un9L1zc/s400/spartankillerspacers%20%2811%29.JPG

billybiltit
11-30-2009, 1:57 PM
this chunk already has a spacer growing out of it,hehe.
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_sAOOOObxJyg/SxFzjMp6bUI/AAAAAAAAAYU/-qvIDUSCwlc/s400/PICT0048.JPG
add a little cutting fluid(and liberal use of the tool) and it is almost a spacer,

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_sAOOOObxJyg/SxPgEibb0LI/AAAAAAAAAaE/oQGDnSCA3dc/s400/spartankillerspacers2%20%283%29.JPG
to get the radius mcgoo wanted i needed a form tool.i was fixin to leave to go to wholesale tool and buy a grinder and green oxide wheel to grind a form cutter when i remembered my dads machinist box(he's in the fci)rummaged through there and found some radius gauges and a hand ground 1/4 form cutter,yeefukinhaw!i don't get lucky very often,so it is especially schweet when i do.
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_sAOOOObxJyg/SxPgE5m1C6I/AAAAAAAAAaI/7bLKNg6uVL4/s400/spartankillerspacers2%20%284%29.JPG

billybiltit
11-30-2009, 2:05 PM
here is the short spacer and the shortest of the ones that has the radius,setting on my trusty rd 400 workbench.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_sAOOOObxJyg/SxPgFYjGqjI/AAAAAAAAAaQ/wCO8xIR9KfE/s400/spartankillerspacers2%20%287%29.JPG
makin chips

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_sAOOOObxJyg/SxPekNuWTjI/AAAAAAAAAZc/aeGSZaZauoo/s400/spartankillerspacers2%20%2811%29.JPG

billybiltit
11-30-2009, 2:16 PM
here is the longest spacer with the radius.next to my trusty kawasaki wrench no less :-).
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_sAOOOObxJyg/SxPfJqkhueI/AAAAAAAAAZs/Uk7BT98fQ5Q/s400/spartankillerspacers2%20%2816%29.JPG
here is the end view.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_sAOOOObxJyg/SxPfKYZFIWI/AAAAAAAAAZ4/Pfk8JquOdwo/s400/spartankillerspacers2%20%2819%29.JPG
so i have three outta five done.as soon as mcgoo comes through with the final dimensions i will spin the final two out and get them headed off to cali.

leon holmes

Nicko
11-30-2009, 2:24 PM
I wish I had taken the time to do that....change that, to have you do that to my spacers....nice work.

billybiltit
11-30-2009, 3:34 PM
thanks for that nicko!
just trying to do my part for a righteous cause.

leon holmes

Halwade
12-01-2009, 2:13 AM
Stunning work, my brother.

I just wrapped up some lathe time on my current business trip 6,800 miles from home. I'm in Taiwan working on some new BMX BS and I brought my H-D axle just in case. My friend William and I trimmed back the axle 7mm on three different places to make it fit the front end already in progress. I'd show photos of my handiwork, but BillyBiltit is the ruler on this thread! Thanks for all your hard work, Leon. I can't wait to see the finished products.

McGoo

Halwade
12-05-2009, 1:03 AM
12.06.09 SPARTANKILLER UPDATE:

Report from the Taichung Salt Mines…

Snuggled seductively on this satiny Jin Pin Hotel duvet is my H-D axle. As my amateur machinist divots will attest, I managed to turn down the axle in three locations as originally planned without heartache or headache. My friend William at Gemini Manufacturing in Dajia, Taiwan helped me with the dirty work.

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/axle-1.jpg">

When I showed the finished piece to my friend and trading partner Sherry Shu, the 58-year old bike-industry veteran chuckled and said, "This is terrible. I used to run a lathe in college. Let me show you guys how to do this next time before you mess up another axle!"

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/axle-2.jpg">

"Terrible" seems like a strong word, but you can see her point. nevertheless, when I slid my 3/4" bearing down the axle to check our handi(capped)work, it fit like a glove.

<img src="http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/halwade/CHOPCULT%20PROJECT/axle-4.jpg">

Given the language barrier and my experience with a 20-year-old Chinese lathe, I'm happy with the result. If I could say more than "no problem," "more beer," so-so" and "no good" in Mandarin, I'd probably move here.

As it stands, I'm coming home next week, and when I get back to the shop I can't wait to get back to work on my bike.

Halwade
12-05-2009, 2:33 AM
I'M TOO STUPID FOR MIT…

But I love shit that's Made in Taiwan.

Like these tiny ventilated grommets, for instance.

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If Chang Kai Shek on that shiny Taiwan penny wasn't so stubborn, he'd turn around to check out these little jewels. I found them at a backpack factory in Taichung: $45 per thousand in nickel or brass. Of course, I bought 1k of each.

90US$ might seem like a lot of money for 2,000 brass and nickel grommets, but dudes in the know say otherwise.

Dudes like Duane Ballard, for instance. He's the guy I'm gonna commission to make my seat for this beast, and the inspiration for the seat is this:

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The Ford GT40 in Gulf Oil livery is my all-time favorite race car, more so even than Jackie Stewart's BRG Lotus.

But as you can see, grommets similar in size to the one in these racecar seats would like silly on a chopper seat the size of your mom's Christmas ham.

So, enter the backpack dragon. Dr. Backpack has a shitload of cool stuff like these grommets in his crowded shop, and was more than happy to sell me two sacks. We'll spend ever NT of the 100 bucks I gave him at dinner tonight, so I'm not sweating it one bit.

Neither will my ass when I ease it down the road a seat perfed out with these.

Thanks, Dr. Backpack.